Twitter hates Berhalter

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  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you actually watch and listen to it? He specifically talks about not overlooking MLS players and coaches..... talks about how Gio shouldn't be starting for the national Team when he isn't playing for his club team......
     
  2. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    That is what you got out of the 10 minutes? My key takeaways were he thought the team has gotten stale and some players are too comfortable. His solution is to shake things up and make the team more competitive. I actually like that message while disagreeing with a couple of his statements.

    You might find this hard to believe, but I dont disagree with not overlooking MLS players and players in a bunch of other leagues. I understand the argument about Gio, but don't think we have progressed to the point that he doesn't make us a better team even if his situation isn't ideal. I do think Adams was mis/overused.
     
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  3. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There could be an argument made that the lack of competition for some of the roster spots helped contribute to the issues prior to and after the World Cup. He might have felt that his spot was guaranteed, and then Gregg's poor handling of the situation lead to all the other issues. Yes, Gio's ability and talent unquestionably make the US team better.

    Adams is in a similar health boat as Gio. Both have had a lot of issues with long term injuries early on in their careers. When healthy, they both make the US team significantly better. Gregg's tactical inflexibility hurt the USMNT in the long run, as it made him over reliant on Adams and to a lesser extent Gio.
     
  4. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Pretty sure Mexico's Daddy's legacy is only going to get worse. Maybe they could write a leadership book about how their process built this culture.

     
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  5. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Sorry, I forgot about this response. I think Gio is significantly more valuable and less replaceable than Adams. I actually think we might be a better team without Adams right now.

    It is going to be interesting to see what Adams role is going forward with a different coach, his injuries, and the dynamic under Berhalter. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some real issues in that locker room.
     
  6. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    .Views just keep getting worse. More people hating Gregg and more people turning on the players. Great work USSF and MLS.

     
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  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  8. Blustar

    Blustar Member

    Inter Miami, Miami FC
    United States
    May 30, 2006
    Club:
    Miami FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    I believe it was from behind the crest. One of Gregg's cringe worthy moments right up there with African dogs. YouTube
     
  10. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Poor McKenzie. Right in the middle of both.
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I'd love a coach who explains his tactics the way Nakamura explains his chess games: "you run here, and you run here, if this man stays back you stay back but you only move forward if you don't see anyone running on this side, then pass, pass, pass, and pass, wait for the run on this side but if he is marked you open on this side and he runs, he runs, he runs, but you stay and mark, mark, mark this guy who always opens left, then pass, pass, pass, and pass..." all while making 100 lines on the board.
     
  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmmmm..... interesting...

     
  13. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Europe knows...
     
  14. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Maybe drawing up tactics with Doyle is some kind of indicator?

     
  15. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    After seeing how much better the USWNT looks with Emma Hayes in charge, do the twitter tacticos soccer nerds still believe that coaching doesn’t matter that much?
    The USMNT can take a massive leap forward if they hire the right coach, which sounds obvious but it wasn’t to all for quite some time.

    couldnt agree more

    have to hire the right coach, though
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Vladko was a disaster; one of those coaches that holds back a team. He didn't believe in our team; he had us playing Red Bull soccer. We didn't even try to control the ball despite having the talent.

    Still, he also was contending with a generational change that is a year on plus some key injury issues. He didn't do a good job, but it was a much tougher situation. But he was actively bad. I don't think Berhalter was actively bad, but if he was, then yes, a new coach will likely be an upgrade.

    Hayes also may be the top women's coach; she's likely a closer analogue to Klopp than Herve Renard. Still, we'll see how far she can take the team. Few are disagreeing that getting a very top coach won't help -- that's not what is at question here. But we're not getting Klopp or equivalent most likely. We will see.

    The women also haven't won anything yet. Look good, though.
     
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  17. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Berhalter was a disaster and completely held the team back. It was evident to some on day 1. Id hate to be someone who vociferously defended him. I assume they had alterior motives because it was evident in just about every window.
     
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  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just hire Jogi Lowe already...
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My concern would be that he developed in a country where players grew up in a certain system knowing exactly what they're role was from an early age.

    German coaching is very formal and very consistent and he won a World Cup taking full advantage of that.

    The US has a different system where teams do different things and players have different pathways. I think he needs to go to not Germany and see if he can have success there.

    I think that's what USSF may have wanted with Berhalter but erm whatever.
     
  20. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Yes, a guy from the country where Americans have had the most success would struggle coaching Americans. If only he had a good friend who understood both German culture and American culture.

    I sometimes wonder if MLS attracts dumb fans or if MLS makes them dumber. I think a bit of both... not that sharp to begin with, but every discussion around it is so simplistic that they get sucjed into the binary situations that they can't get themselves out of.
     
  21. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    we certainly could do a lot worse.
     
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  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    It is going to take a while to get the stench of the Berhalter era out of this program. This assclown had no business going to WC and Olympics and now is complaining about players not respecting the jersey. Representing the US was diminished significantly by using it to market MLS.

     
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  23. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Marketing MLS while not playing a single MLS player in Copa.

    Sounds like 4D chess.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS didn't pick the team.
     
  25. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    If you are calling a player who represented our country an assclown - you've really lost the plot. How about showing some dignity and decency? For your own sake.
     
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