Just checking back through that attempt again: Safet Susic rather than Rummenigge I think actually probably. I'd possibly consider Michael Laudrup again as the back-up 1991-1994 idea too instead of Baggio (or it might be 'M.Laudrup at some points' in that period and/or the one before where I put B.Laudrup instead.....like I said 'Hazard at some points' later...having chosen Hazard as a main option for a short time too of course). Like I hinted at before it could be I'd be slotting a Kempes in somewhere mid to late 70s, or ditto a Rensenbrink (potentially from earlier), but they missed out marginally in the shuffle I guess. I'm not sure whether Faas Wilkes could enter again, at least as the back-up option (not forgetting Matthews could still be a contender too for example though), in the mid 50s once he'd gone to Valencia. I know he was highly rated there and I guess it had plenty to do with dribbling, but without decent footage it's hard to say. I guess for the whole period 1959-1966 Florian Albert wouldn't be too far away (and Bene too for some of that and a bit later I think), but it seemed obvious to put Garrincha as a second option for 1959-1964 and at least give Sivori a mention before that point in that case. Jairzinho vs Albert for 1964-1966 I really wouldn't be sure about, from what I know/saw....
I'm thinking about Ernesto Grillo potentially too, and maybe if I'd just stuck to not specifically mentioning Matthews for any period, I would have suggested Grillo for 1951-1953 in that alternative selection list I guess....
ronaldo had 2 dribbles and 0 aerial duels according to sofascore(opta) in this game… pic.twitter.com/bYCxq1bb1M— gigis (@Gigis123i) May 3, 2024 A good example of how Opta does a bad job of compiling their stats and / or reflecting what is actually going on in game. Anybody can see that this is a very positive dribbling performance and yet the numbers they publish would not suggest that (2 dribbles credited).
Over 20 years ago And from 2008/09 UEFA released a snippet of this on Twitter ⏪ Cristiano Ronaldo in unstoppable form back in 2008 at Celtic Park...#UCL | @ManUtd pic.twitter.com/gNmTJxUOjt— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) July 8, 2020 one of those assists not credited by the ‘experts’ right at the end of the comp these new sofascore releases are interesting to say the least Ronaldinho in his CL career never had a single performance rated 9 or above the highest in 2005/06 was 8.5(Chelsea) the legendary performances Vs Milan we were told for 20 years that no one could touch myths are being eradicated with hard cold data/facts Ronaldinho for me is the 3rd greatest Brazilian of the champions league era after Neymar Jr and now Vinícius Jr the latter is the second best player of his generation after Kylian Mbappe IMO With the finishing ability of Kylian Mbappe he would literally be untouchable That’s the next step for him that he can hopefully take 2 or 3 years ago I don’t believe there is a single person who could’ve predicted that Vinicius would’ve progressed in the way he has. His composure in front of goal frustrates me to no end but there is time on his hands to amend that (fingers crossed).
If sofascore was a source that painted an extremely favourable picture of zinedine zidane it wouldn’t just be an “argument” you would use you would literally live and die by it my friend Let’s not play games here
Wrong, Carlito. I've been consistent throughout on this matter. If you know one thing about football, you would understand that a thied party equation says nothing about the sport. What's crazy is I am one of the few here that actually praises Cristiano consistently... I just think the way you are making your point is weak.
To be fair, I don’t think that’s right. I think you’ve missed the 9.7 score against Udinese in September 2005.
Yes I missed it his overall average was 7.725 Lower than Neymar when he reached the deep stages(SF and/or final) His 2015/16 and 2016/17 campaigns A lot lower than cristiano in 2013/14 8.51 No need to even bring Messi into this Ronaldinho averaged 3 dribbles per 90 in the 2005/06 CL btw Not the 25 per 90 some were dreaming of here
Show us. You are arguing with a ghost. He has high profile matches. But there are many, many, many players with better European legacies. Ronaldinho's legacy is mostly built on the fact that the level at which he played for about 3 years made people think this may be the greatest footballer of all time. His legacy was how dominant he was with a football. And he won everything under the sun.
Football comps with all the players individual actions are rarely to be found on YouTube if they are they are then they will either be cropped or just heavily edited to prevent them being taken down(mainly due to YouTubes strict copyright rules) another thing to take into consideration.. The guys who are analysing 100s of matches and thousands of individual actions are not relying on what some guy on YouTube choses to upload they have access to full games In any case here are your 7 opta dribbles 0:56 1 dribble 5:23 1 dribble 6:52 1 dribble 7:21 1 dribble 8:12 1 dribble 9:20-9:30 2 dribbles the data analyst in this case doesn’t care for what you or I deems to be an effective or skilful dribble. Every successful dribble is counted the same if Messi( or Micheal Jackson or tony soprano or Donald trump)successfully evades his marker on a football field and retains possession of the ball in the immediate aftermath of that dribble Then that my friend is a dribble it just is there are no feelings or biases here as an example Ronaldinho vs Arsenal 2006 doesn’t immediately spring to mind when thinking of him at his dribbling best The thing is the myth and romanticism(which is the polar opposite of data)works for Ronaldinho and it works against him too he was expected by the casual fan to deliver in a different way and because he didn’t the casual fan was not concentrating on how many times Ronaldinho evaded his marker(which was a lot) the algorithm has no emotional attachment towards dinho or should I say ‘expectations’ of what Ronaldinho vs Arsenal 2006 should or shouldn’t be doing. It simply analyses him based on what he did or didn’t do.
If 9:20, and 6:52 are dribbles, then I think the criticism about side or backward dribbling in the other thread does not hold any more weight.
Cole Palmer already has the same number of 10s on Sofascore as Cristiano, counting only national leagues
Seriously. No serious football commentator would ever refer to Sofascore ratings as some sort of argument about anything. You think Pep and Mourinho are checking Sofascore ratings?
Counting only National leagues? sofascore hasn’t rated a single league performance of cristiano in 2003/04 2004/05 2005/06 2006/07 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14 2014/15 one league game rated from 2007/08 The Newcastle home game where he scored a hattrick(9.6 according to sofascore) and 2 or so league games from 2008/09 so there are huge swathes of data missing from sofascores database as it pertains to cristianos league career over 10 seasons worth I don’t know why you limit it to National leagues though and I don’t know why you casually ignore the fact cristianos entire peak as a domestic league great isn’t covered by sofascore Literally I’d go as far as to say his entire peak as a legendary “National league” performer isn’t covered by sofascore Cristiano 2015/16 to 2022/23 was not a legendary league performer BTW Legendary in the champions league only sometimes(rarely) the form crossed over but it was never sustained just for the record and as another side point Cole palmer in his career(all comps)has four performances rated 9 or above 3 of them are 10s And one barely above 9 That’s the entire picture for him That’s the same number of performances rated 9 or above as cristiano had in 2021/22. Aged 38 in terms of seasonal league averages Cole palmer is rated 7.71 cristiano according to sofascore had higher ratings in la liga 2015/16=7.86 La liga 2017/18=7.90 Serie A 2019/20=7.74 and everything he did at league level between 2003/04-2014/15 isn’t even covered Cole palmer isn’t going to help zidane here Only zidane will
You made this convo about me an zidane? are you serious right now. Touch grass my friend. Literally. Again, do Pep and Mourinho refer to Sofascore to judge players?
On the Messi 2014 video, I don’t think 9:20 would count as a dribble (since he went backwards), but my guess is that 5:11 was counted (though I think it’s borderline). And 6:52 was horizontal rather than vertical dribbling, but dribbling horizontally past your marker and into the box seems like it very likely was counted. But who knows, since we don’t really know OPTA’s exact internal decision-making guidelines/precedent.