Things we See

Discussion in 'Referee' started by DefRef, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Advantage

    Advantage Member

    Apr 25, 2022
    The money and time isn't worth it for me but I do still enjoy the adrenaline rush of the Sunday league ethnic games lol

    I need a new hobby
     
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  2. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    AYSO G19 game. New GK comes in halfway through second half catches the ball and casually walks out of the PA with it with all her teammates yelling to stop. :eek: 19U!
     
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  3. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very difficult to see anything from this distance. What I can say is not one player reacted in a manner where they thought there should be one. The best I can tell, the attacker was frustrated with not getting a good shot off. Again, the camera is just too far away to see if there was any sort of relevant contact.
     
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  5. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, while I agree that there was some contact...it was minimal in my book and in my estimation, embellished. Coach was screaming at me from across the pitch, he got a yellow for his efforts. Only good thing, I was about as close to that play as you could be...I win on the optics alone!!!
    ;)
     
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  6. Soccer Dad & Ref

    Oct 19, 2017
    San Diego
    Also not sure about the foul. Good positioning though, maybe you could have made a no-foul signal with your arms (like the safe sign for baseball umpires) to sell it to the stadium? I have not done many duels (I don't do high school yet, my daughter is still playing), but are you both doing it on the opposite side?
     
  7. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Camera position does make it difficult to see. There was some contact, but with an official right there, I wouldn't change it. I probably would have said something like "Nothing" or "No foul" just to let the whole stadium know what was going on.
     
  8. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    It's in the second half, so per NFHS the refs switch from left-backs to right-backs. Around here we don't do that, but I believe around Philly they do. @Barciur can confirm.
     
  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, I got into a pretty good position, though I might have been blocked because it's entirely possible on the video that the defender got a small piece of the ball before there was any contact.
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Sigh. Second week in a row with a G19 GK HB outside the PA. This time coming from a kick off by the other team with a pass back blasted forward, and the GK calmly walks out of the PA to pick it up. :eek: As I’m jogging towards the play ready to caution for SPA, I realize the attacker wants to go quickly, so I wait, shot, goal. Pat myself on the back for not giving the caution and delaying the kick. (But it later dawns on me that it might have been DOGSO rather than SPA. Wish I had a replay to watch . . .)
     
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  11. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Two weeks ago in the first game of an O30 mens doubleheader, I gave a DOGSO red for a keeper handling to stop an attack about two yards outside his penalty area. Seven minutes into the second game, I'm AR2 as the goalkeeper in my half comes out and handles the ball about six inches away from where the previous game's DOGSO took place. The referee (my AR2 in the prior game) and I just stared at each other in disbelief for a second.

    We determined that the penalty area surely must be too small if it happened twice less than an hour (of real time) apart!
     
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  12. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    White defender may have grabbed red while still OFOP, and then may have hauled red down when position is tricky to discern. Lead ref was in a good position and these eyes and this phone don't have anything to overrule the call on the field.
     
  15. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I was the lead referee and while I was certain it was a PK live, watching it on this video the defender had an attacker which was getting into a dangerous position for a potential cross and defender indeed hauled her down with an outstretched arm. Coach was clearly not happy with me indicating that I had decided the match with only 10 seconds left and up 1-0. Unfortunately her player left me no choice and no way that I can swallow my whistle on that. I probably could have carded her, but didn't really feel it necessary.
     
  16. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    “No, coach, you’re player decided the match when she chose to grab her opponent.”
     
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  17. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I have a fair shoulder charge by white. Red appears to have her elbow tucked to her side trapping white's arm. Red starts falling right from the charge, white tries to pull away and the hold by red pulls the players back together resulting in more contact, and red falls down.

    You can never see that in this dual setup. You'd be hard pressed to see that in a reverse dual setup. A DSC with the referee positioned correctly at the top of the PA right of the arc would have a perfect view. It is an impossible call in the setup you have.

    I'd argue that if red was "hauled down", she would not have fallen to the right, but left toward the defender
     
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  18. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thanks for this...yeah I was on the endline looking across the goalmouth, did not think about the player physics of this at all...now I need to watch it again for the 10th time...lol
     
  19. ejschwartz

    ejschwartz Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
    It's unclear (to me) if white's challenge is a push or fair charge. But I agree that the later contact is actually caused by red's hold.

    Definitely a tough one to figure out in real time!
     
  20. ejschwartz

    ejschwartz Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
    This is on the front page of the PIAA playoff bulletin as a "cool soccer photo":

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    :ROFLMAO:
     

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  21. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and the funny thing...watching the replay of the actual PK...we have a clear encroachment on red and my partner missed it as the trail official. We really should have had a retake...sigh
     
  22. SCV-Ref

    SCV-Ref Member

    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    Don't know about High School, but in the IFAB world, that encroachment doesn't matter anymore as long as it does not affect play. It's a new change, so maybe not adopted by NFHS yet?

    • a team-mate of the player taking the penalty kick is penalised for encroachment only if:
      • the encroachment clearly impacted on the goalkeeper; or

      • the encroaching player plays the ball or challenges an opponent for the ball and then scores, attempts to score or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
     
  23. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    404 error, file not found
     
  24. ejschwartz

    ejschwartz Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
    NFHS does not have that yet.

    I don't see an obvious enchroachment. The player I assume you are talking about is the third from the left red player.

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  25. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Meh, both Pearl River and Tappan Zee are cheaters anyway. But neither are as bad as Albertus.
     

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