The best players of the 1998 World Cup

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  1. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    WC 1998 EL GRAFICO
     

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  2. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    @TomNeil Colleague, if you have the opportunity, help with the missing matches from El grafico WC 1998!
    10-14 june end 3 july
     
  3. TomNeil

    TomNeil Member

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    Brazil
    May 7, 2021
  4. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    Super! I will soon publish from the 1994 World Cup
     
  5. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Geoff Hurst's XI, from before the World Cup Final game itself, published in The People and found on Britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk (with a valuation put on each player) - note that in the write-up he does confirm Ronald de Boer is for right midfield, and Veron for centre midfield, as would be expected, although the diagram shows the opposite....
    Maybe it's one that will be interesting to you @Titanlux (although I don't think you've started putting together any tables yet for 1998 maybe?)

    David Seaman (England, £5m); Cafu (Brazil, £7m), Marcel Desailly (France, £5m), Sol Campbell (England, £17m), Roberto Carlos (Brazil, £15m); Ronald de Boer (Netherlands, £10m), Juan Sebastian Veron (Argentina, £12m), Zinedine Zidane (France, £20m), Marc Overmars (Netherlands, £9m); Ariel Ortega (Argentina, £8m), Ronaldo (Brazil, £25m)

    Other mentioned players - Michael Owen (England), Marcelo Salas (Chile), Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina), Christian Vieri (Italy), Rivaldo (Brazil), Dennis Bergkamp (Netherlands), Paul Ince (England), Edgar Davids (Netherlands), Emmanuel Petit (France)

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  6. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Club:
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    I also see that the magazine France West apparently picked a world XI before the World Cup started, selecting from the 32 nations that had qualified, and it was as follows (not 100% sure whether it's meant to be a wing-back system with Roberto Carlos in the back 3 but it seems like it and is presented/reported as if it is, and Beckham as proper right back rather than wing back would be the only other possibility - they picked a very attacking central midfield trio in Bergkamp, Zidane, and Ortega too if the team is shown right in The People):

    Kopke (Germany); Kohler (Germany), Hierro (Spain), Roberto Carlos (Brazil); Beckham (England), Bergkamp (Netherlands), Zidane (France), Ortega (Argentina), Seedorf (Netherlands); Mijatovic (Yugoslavia), Ronaldo (Brazil)
     
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  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    The team that won the advertised competition (and therefore it was the team The People editor liked the most apparently, although picked by a reader so not strictly The People's XI I suppose) was Chilavert (Paraguay); Thuram (France), Desailly (France), Frank de Boer (Netherlands); Cafu (Brazil), Zidane (France), Rivaldo (Brazil), Davids (Netherlands), Jarni (Croatia); Ronaldo (Brazil), Suker (Croatia): Sub: Owen (England) - I think this was also Hurst's choice for substitute according to the above shown article

    So in the winning XI that The People's editor selected, and also in Hurst's XI it is just Desailly, Cafu, Zidane and Ronaldo, with Owen the sub in both selections too. The readers would have been picking factoring in the Final too, as the article of Hurst was published on the day of the Final.

    By the way I don't think The People were handing out merit marks (ratings) for the games as there are game reports such as the Netherlands vs Argentina one, plus results and scorer summaries printed, without merit marks being shown.
     
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  8. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
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    Match magazine XI, based on average ratings
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    Showing the players more suitably right to left (though there is only one full-back in, and one winger who played more centrally anyway, plus one player in attack Ortega who perhaps could be seen as an AM too) - the diagram above shows the players with the highest averages on the right of each section of the XI:
    Mondragan (Colombia) 8.33; Thuram (France) 8, Song (Cameroon) 8, Adams (England) 8, Campbell (England) 8.25; Beckham (England) 8, Nakata (Japan) 8.33, Okocha (Nigeria) 8.66, Zidane (France) 8.8; Ortega (Argentina) 8, Zamorano (Chile) 8
     
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  9. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    I have been able to get a total of 15 sources whose combination and once the arithmetic average has been done, the following players have been ranked as the best ratings of the 1998 World Championship:

    He podido conseguir un total de 15 fuentes cuya combinación y una vez realizada la media aritmética han encumbrado como mejores ratings del campeonato del Mundo de 1998 a los siguientes jugadores:

    1 .- Chilavert (Paraguay): 7,48
    2.- Thuram (Francia): 7,31
    3 .- Okocha (Nigeria): 7,28
    4.- Davids (Holanda): 7,26
    5.- Mondragón (Colombia): 7,22
    6.- Zidane (Francia): 7,21
    7.- Ayala, Celso (Paraguay): 7,02
    8.- Luis Hernández (México): 6,99
    9.- Laudrup, Brian (Dinamarca): 6,98
    10.- Suker (Croacia): 6,87
    11.- Benítez (Paraguay): 6,82
    12 .- Petit (Francia): 6,81
    13.- Overmars (Holanda): 6,80
    14.- Hierro (España): 6,80
    15 .- Pagliuca (Italia): 6,75
    16.- Verón (Argentina): 6,73
    17 .- Gamarra (Paraguay): 6,72
    18.- Vieri (Italia): 6,70
    19.- Ortega (Argentina): 6,69
    20 .- Laudrup, Michael (Dinamarca): 6,68
    21 .- De Boer, Frank (Holanda): 6,68
    22.- Ronaldo (Brasil): 6,66
    23.- Hadji (Marruecos): 6,66
    24 .- De Boer, Ronald (Holanda): 6,66
    25.- Rivaldo (Brasil): 6,60
    26.- Blanco (México): 6,60
    27.- Deschamps (Francia): 6,59
    28 .- Ladic (Croacia): 6,59
    29.- Barthez ( Francia): 6,58
    30.- Desailly (Francia): 6,58
    31.- Batistuta (Argentina): 6,58
    32.- Scholes (Inglaterra): 6,57
    33 .- Bierhoff (Alemania): 6,56
    34.- Campbell (Inglaterra): 6,56
    35 .- Konsel (Austria): 6,53
    36.- Cafú (Brasil): 6,52
    37.- Jonk (Holanda): 6,52
    38 .- Mihailovic (Yugoslavia): 6,52
    39 .- Salas (Chile): 6,50
    40.- Ilie (Rumanía): 6,50
     
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  10. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    It is true that since there are so many different sources, in many cases, the differences in averages between them is quite important, but what is an unquestionable advantage is that the more sources there are, the more significant the final average will be, so I consider this data very interesting for the purpose of this thread.

    Es cierto que al ser tantas fuentes diferentes, en muchos casos, las diferencias de promedios entre unas y otras es bastante importante, pero lo que es una ventaja incuestionable es que cuantas más fuentes haya, más significativo será el promedio final, por lo que considero este dato muy interesante para el objetivo de este hilo.
     
  11. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    I forgot to comment (and it is important), that my criteria to be included in this classification is to have played at least 270 minutes. But it would be unfair if I didn't mention some who without having reached that time, got good grades, especially these ones: Owen: 7.21 (232 minutes), Gallardo: 7.14 (147 minutes), Morientes: 6.95 (128 minutes), De Wilde: 6.82 (180 minutes) and Roberto Baggio: 6.65 (224 minutes).

    Se me olvidaba comentar (y es importante), que mi criterio para poder entrar en esta clasificación es haber jugado como mínimo 270 minutos. Pero sería injusto si no nombrara a algunos que sin haber llegado a ese tiempo, consiguieron buenas notas, es especial estos: Owen: 7,21 (232 minutos), Gallardo: 7,14 (147 minutos), Morientes: 6,95 (128 minutos), De Wilde: 6,82 (180 minutos) y Roberto Baggio: 6,65 (224 minutos).
     
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  12. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    On the other hand, I have come across 24 sources proposing one or more ideal teams. The quantification of these data has resulted in the following percentage ranking with respect to the presence in these XI of the championship.

    Por otra parte, he dado con 24 fuentes que proponían uno o varios equipos ideales. La cuantificación de esos datos ha dado como resultado la siguiente clasificación porcentual respecto a la presencia en esos XI del campeonato.

    1.- Thuram: 84,96 %
    2.- Davids: 75,22 %
    3.- Desailly: 72,57 %
    4.- Zidane: 71,68 %
    5.- Chilavert: 70,80 %
    6.- Rivaldo y Frank de Boer: 66,37 %
    8.- Suker: 60,18 %
    9.- Ronaldo: 59,29 %
    10.- Owen: 58,41 %
    11.- Dunga: 51,33 %
    12.- Okocha: 46,02 %
    13.- Ortega: 39,82 %
    14.- Roberto Carlos: 34,51 %
    15.- Gamarra y Vieri: 30,09 %
    17.- Barthez: 28,32 %
    18.- Blanc: 26,55 %
    19.- Cafú: 25,66 %
    20.- Jarni y Celso Ayala: 23,89 %
    22.- Batistuta: 22,12 %
    23.- Michael Laudrup: 20,35 %
    24.- Brian Laudrup y Deshamps 17,70 %

    and the list goes on to 98 players who were mentioned in one of these ideal XI.

    y la lista continúa hasta 98 jugadores que fueron mencionados en alguno de estos XI ideales.

     
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  13. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Don Balón magazine gave its own ranking of the 50 best of the tournament and FIFA also did it, although in this case, I could only locate the top 10: Ronaldo, Suker, Thuram, Desailly, Rivaldo, Zidane, Owen, Davids, Dunga and Bergkamp, in this order; a bit strange the classification, but that's how it was...

    La revista Don Balón dio su ranking particular de los 50 mejores del torneo y la FIFA también lo hizo, aunque en este caso, solo he podido localizar a los 10 primeros: Ronaldo, Suker, Thuram, Desailly, Rivaldo, Zidane, Owen, Davids, Dunga y Bergkamp, en este orden; un tanto extraña la clasificación, pero así fue...
     
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  14. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    With all this and assigning a certain weighting to each of the variables, based on a subjective view of their significance, my final individual list of the best is as follows:

    Con todo esto y adjudicando una ponderación determinada a cada una de las variables, atendiendo a una visión subjetiva de su significatividad, mi lista final individual de los mejores es la siguiente:

    1.- Thuram
    2.- Chilavert
    3.- Davids
    4.- Zidane
    5.- Suker
    6.- Okocha
    7.- Ronaldo
    8.- Owen
    9.- Desailly
    10.- Rivaldo
    11.- Frank de Boer
    12.- Brian Laudrup
    13.- Petit
    14.- Mondragón
    15.- Celso Ayala
    16.- Vieri
    17.- Gamarra
    18.- Ortega
    19.- Barthez
    20.- Michael Laudrup
    21.- Verón
    22.- Luis Hernández
    23.- Deschamps
    24.- Hierro
    25.- Dunga
    26.- Ronald de Boer
    27.- Overmars
    28.- Batistuta
    29.- Benítez
    30.- Cafú

     
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  15. ffff15

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    Sep 29, 2021
    1- Thuram
    2- Zidane
    3- R9 (overrated campaign)
    4- Rivaldo
    5- Suker
     
  16. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    My ideal XI proposal:

    Chilavert; Thuram, Desailly, Frank de Boer, Lizarazu; Davids, Okocha, Zidane, Rivaldo; Ronaldo, Suker
     
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  17. gordorojo55

    gordorojo55 New Member

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    ¡Hola!. ¿Alguien tiene los ratings del diario Clarín para el Mundial de 1998?
     
  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Okocha and Owen look a little high to me, but maybe I am wrong.

    Like for example your 1994-95 and 1995-96 lists (vastly underrating Ajax players imho, a truly dominant/unbeaten team), I find it weird Bergkamp is not somewhere in the top 30 of top 40. I'd agree he didn't do a lot vs Brazil (Overmars didn't even play, was injured; Bergkamp was also not entirely fit).

    But he is 25th overall in SofaScore, the subs in and subs out don't help, and 2nd among the forwards (0.05 behind Ortega). Ahead of names like Rivaldo, and 5th in the scorers chart. Relatively close behind four strikers. The quality of the play is of course obvious.

    https://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/1998/wc98statistics.html
    https://www.sofascore.com/tournament/football/world/world-championship/16#id:1151

    Davids is punished in the algorithm I think by his 2 yellow cards and committing 4 fouls per game (same is true for other players with this foul count or higher), and him also not playing the first match. But I'd agree Davids has a case for being #1 of his team. Very underrated, also at euro 2000 (well, there the BBC did see him), was Cocu in my eyes. He played as striker when Kluivert wasn't there and scored the goals. Then also good/excellent in other roles. Only not that one moment as left-back vs Ronaldo in the semi final, even though it was not only his fault.
     
  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord


    Outside the top 40? It has become a recurring theme by now for any tournament since 1992, it seems. Among certain publications and countries at least. Not all, I am not blind or deaf.

    With ourselves also liking it to push people down. Which then gets translated etc or they say it themselves as pundit on foreign tv. Hopeless.
     

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