The best players of the 1986 World Cup

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  1. Krokko

    Krokko Member

    Nov 16, 2011
    Club:
    AIK Solna
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    In my sources, Frank Arnesen had an extremely high average mark in his three games. What did you find there?
     
  2. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
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  3. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    France Football ratings :
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    (as seen previously, Maradona actually was rated three times with a 5-star rating, not two, as listed here in the FF issue of the 1st July)
     
  4. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Indeed, Arnesen's averages were truly brilliant. I set a minimum of 270 minutes to be part of my main list, so although he was close to this mark (253 minutes) he appears on my secondary list. France Football was the most generous publication with his participation (8.00 according to the scale I used to convert the scores to a scale up to 10); for Mundo Deportivo, 7.67; for El Gráfico 7.33; for Gazzetta dello Sport and Sofascore, 7.17; Marca and Guerin Sportivo, 7; Clarín, 6.67; for As and Solofútbol, 6.33. All this results in an overall average of 7.09, the best in this "secondary list", 17 hundredths better than the second ranked, the Scottish Strachan.
     
  5. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    #155 PDG1978, Mar 30, 2024
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    I think this gives some insight into how FF evaluated 'assists' maybe, as for example I guess Ceulemans isn't credited with one here (because of the quality of the finish by Vercauteren?)
    1986 Frank Vercauteren Paraguay Belgium (youtube.com)
    Assuming he is credited with one here, for the Scifo goal
    1986 (June 8) Belgium 2-Iraq 1 (World Cup).mpg (youtube.com)
    Laudrup is credited with 2 assists vs Uruguay, because he initiated an Elkjaer tap-in with a solo run I think:
    1986 (June 8) Denmark 6-Uruguay 1 (World Cup).mpg (youtube.com)
    (1:57)

    Planet World Cup counts all those as assists. OPTA wouldn't count the second Laudrup one i suppose....

    That's unless they mis-counted for Ceulemans of course.

    I suppose the reason a different grade could have been shown on Everyfourthyear (that we saw previously) to an actual grade is because they printed out the numbers of stars as stars, and didn't write numbers (some of the older ones we found could be hard to read, on the internet at least, plus the number of stars could be accidentally mis-counted by somebody reading occasionally). Re: Elkjaer vs Scotland potentially for example....

    EDIT - When I said "I suppose" OPTA wouldn't credit Laudrup with the second 'assist' to Elkjaer I should have said "we know", and obviously we can see it on Sofascore's page too (based on OPTA's data)
    Michael Laudrup stats and ratings | Sofascore
    Jan Ceulemans stats and ratings | Sofascore
     
  6. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Interesting though @wm442433 that they do list Elkajer with 18 etoiles overall - could it suggest they did intend to give 6 stars vs Scotland even though they didn't print that (and didn't list him with a 6 star performance at the end)? Tom's total was 18 that he counted up from what was on Everyfourthyear I think too....
     
  7. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Elkjaer's 18 étoiles were spread over his four matches: 5, 6, 3 and 4.
     
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  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    6 vs Uruguay then (maybe that was what was shown on Everyfourthyear too originally actually was it? - I can't recall for definite right now but I think it rings a bell/makes sense).

    wm442433 did suggest he saw that the Uruguay grade was also printed as a 5 in France Football though (and the summary doesn't show Elkjaer with a 6 at the end, among the 6-star performances printed)....
     
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  9. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    @Tom Stevens @comme @Titanlux @PDG1978
    Yes, excuse me to have complicated things, it is well a 6 against Uruguay, in the second match.
    Which is missing in the summary, that's all.
    I read too quickly the match report without zooming.
    (I don't have much time to watch the assists atm)
     
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  10. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    At the end of the round of 16, the "Etoiles team" was : Schumacher (22) - G.Stevens (19), J.César (20), Bossis (24), Amoros (25) - Burruchaga (20), Tigana (20), Ceulemans (21), Maradona (23) - Careca (20), Lineker (20).
    And the podium was about the same as in the end : Amoros (25), Bossis (24), Maradona (23). Schumacher and Pfaff (22). Ceulemans (21).
     
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  11. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
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    FC Nantes
    * at the end of the Q/F's.
     
  12. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Guerin Sportivo ratings
     

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  13. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Guerin
     

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  14. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    In this photo, the "disappointing", "favorite" and "revelation" teams are written according to the following newspapers, and the players who will be "disappointing" for them are also written.
     

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