Match 13 - PAN : USA - BARTON (SLV)

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats not a PK.
     
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  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    Seriously.
     
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  3. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    He’s been fooled 100%
     
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  4. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As someone who was one of Barton's biggest fans, I don't know what's happened to him. He's awful now. He had a nightmare in the Nations League, and he's been all over the place today.
     
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  5. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    United States
    Great technology guys lol.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    Are we watching the same thing? He has his eyes tracking the ball the whole time. If anything, he's kind of at fault for not being aware of Turner having come out to beat him to the ball and just plowing into him. But the idea that this was deliberate or done with malice strikes me as fanciful. It's not like he came into him with studs or an elbow or a knee. He had his whole body collide with him. It was painful for him as well.

    It's a foul. Could be reckless yellow. But nothing more than that.
     
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  7. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would like to withdraw my prior comment on Barton getting KMIs correct
     
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  8. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    "could be" reckless? I think you're overstating the counterargument. It was pretty clearly reckless.
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair here...

    A) What is Carter-Vickers doing even making a "challenge" there? and
    B) I was fooled at first glance too, as were even the announcers

    This was a dumb, risky tackle by Carter-Vickers that absolutely looked like a penalty. I don't think Barton deserves to be raked over the coals for that.
     
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  10. ColoradoRef

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    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well at least we can all agree that Tatiana Guzman is a very good VAR who is earning her salary tonight. She’s 3 for 3.
     
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  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    My first instinct was PK and that's what I was expecting the first replay to show.
     
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  12. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    He hasn’t a good game. But from the angle he had, I understand how he was fooled.
     
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  13. RefIADad

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    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is she on site? If she is, let's bring her on. Because Barton isn't cutting it tonight.
     
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  14. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Oh I agree completely - it was a foolish challenge at best and he's supremely lucky.

    Still, it's a miss. Not an inconceivable miss or a "how can you call that?" miss, but a miss.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    United States
    The tournament was tame for CONCACAF standards before tonight.
     
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  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    United States
    Four minutes lol
     
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  17. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    4 minutes lol
     
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  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got back to the line “CONCACAF, the #pac12AfterDark of FIFA”
     
  19. RefIADad

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    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you think Barton wants to stick around any longer than he has to?
     
  20. RefIADad

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    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    92' Another missed red at midfield when Robinson was fouled. High foot, no attempt whatsoever to play the ball. You have to issue a red there.

    93' And ANOTHER missed red. Out of control, studs up, scissor on McKennie. Awfully lucky McKennie got away from that without a bad ankle injury.

    Should be 10 v 8.
     
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  21. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Someone else in the thread was suggesting red earlier but has conceded that might be a tad harsh.
     
  22. RefIADad

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    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I conceded that the Weah VC red was correct.

    I still think the foul on Turner is SFP. If a play like that is only a common foul, then I'm glad my kid's a midfielder and not a keeper. I'd meet my out of pocket max in hospital visits every year with open season on a keeper like that.
     
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  23. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    See MassachusettsRef's comments above.

    But I can attest first-hand that being a keeper is not an easy existence.
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For what it's worth, Richards put a hand fully in the face of a Panamanian player after the second red card and it was 100% VC and something that should be reviewed if we actually used VAR, um, "objectively." But of course that's never getting reviewed--particularly when Barton and team got the yellow card for it.

    There is nothing about that tackle that is a red card. The most you can say is that the ball isn't there so your antennae should be up. But the mode of contact isn't bad. The actual force isn't bad. It's just a hard trip with an extended leg. It's both UB and SPA, but that doesn't turn it into SFP.

    This one definitely was borderline SFP, however. It's not so much a scissors, really. It's that he goes lunging airborne with his lead foot and then only makes contact from behind with the other foot. Hard to spot, though. And no way VAR is intervening there.
     
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  25. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you and I are usually on the same page or in the same ballpark, but I can't stress how far off the reservation you are here. And, for that matter, on 90+2'. And with your initial assessment that the Weah RC might have been "negligible force."

    There's no way on earth that the foul on Turner is SFP. I think you might be looking at this match through more of a USMNT lens than a referee one.
     
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