Ballon d'Or awards revisited by BigSoccer users

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by IceBlood34, Feb 18, 2022.

  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think for 2003/04 in general yes; at the Euros and at the start of 04/05 too a little bit (to do with injury/fitness) Henry was not so good though (he says himself too).
     
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  2. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think that was also mainly because of the start of 96/97 (which was still quite good for Weah for example, but at that moment Ronaldo was really big in the game with what he was doing at Barcelona).....
     
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  3. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think he will tell you if he wants to mate....
     
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  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    yes ...... i remember this aswell .... watching the him games in Brazil... he was showed on TV from here in Brazil each game ... each plays ... each goal already ...!!! each assist ...
     
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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ........ yes .... but he wasn't a Total Footballer ... in my view .. had so much Marketing .. behind from him aswell .... as Ronaldinho Gaucho ... aswell ..... as Beckham aswell .... more names than .. a great revolution in my view .... like JOhan Cruyff and Rinus Michels did it into the football game .
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    in Brazil ... we are talking or calling them those players ... of media darling players .... as Kaka ...Nazario ...Gaucho .....Beckham ... Totti ..
     
  7. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Re 2004, I feel you almost answered your own question, Valencia won what they did that year through the collective and a number of players playing at a high level and not a single player dragging them to the title i.e Ayala, Mista, Aimar and so on were all very high etc..

    Mendieta and Kily Gonzalez had gone by then so they are nothing to do with this conversation.

    Ronaldinho whilst not winning anything for Barcelona was standing out with some amazing performances for Barcelona as they finished second in La Liga so on an individual basis warrants praise.

    I do feel however his FIFA PoY 04 win and high Ballon d d'or finish (3rd) was elevated due to his start at the stat of the 04/05 season.
     
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  8. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Real Madrid and Barcelona players are overrated in Ballon d'Or sense, at least this century. Simply they are more mediatic teams, they more watched.
     
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  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ..... yes perfect vision ... dear friend ... i agree with you totally ... yes media darling players since ... David Beckham and Ronaldo Nazario in 1996 .... Marketing behind them ...... Nike and Adidas ... commercials ... !!
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ....i'm brazilian yes ... i saw all the games from Ronaldinho Davids and Xavi ..2003/04 +++ 2004 ... yes in 2004/05 was leader from La Liga but Henry was champion invictus ........ in 2004 ... was robbed the Fifa the best .... ... Nike ..CBF ... Fifa ... and Barcelona ... winning so much money .with the Award victory ... by Ronaldinho Gaucho ..
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    BALLON D'OR 1991/92 ++++++ 1992
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    Marco van Basten ... 31 matches ... 25 goals ..... 9 assists and 3 pre-assists ...

    VS

    Ruud Gullit 26 matches ... 7 goals .. 10 assists and 6 pre-assists ..... total Serie A Calcio 1991/92 ..... (a season in which they went undefeated ) . 22 wins ... and 12 draws .. no (0 ) losses ...in that amazing season .
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    Ruud Dil Gullit A Total Footballer all the assists for the leagues " National Championships " Eredivisie and Scudetto Calcio Serie A since 1982/83 til 1992/93 for Feyenoord, Psv and Ac Milan til now .... let's go 1982/83 .... 15 assists ... 1983/84 22 assists .... 1984/85 8 assists ...... 1985/86 ... 19 assists ... 1986/87 ... 17 assists .. 1987/88 10 assists ... 1988/89 7 assists ..... 1989/90 injured none assists ..... 1990/91 .... 4 assists .... 1991/92 .... 10 assists and 1992/93 ..... 4 assists ... we'll see now for Sampdoria .. the next one ... 1993/94 . !
     
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  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Ruud Dil Gullit A Total Footballer all the assists for the leagues " National Championships " Eredivisie and Scudetto Calcio Serie A since 1982/83 til 1992/93 for Feyenoord, Psv and Ac Milan til now .... let's go 1982/83 .... 15 assists ... 1983/84 22 assists .... 1984/85 8 assists ...... 1985/86 ... 19 assists ... 1986/87 ... 17 assists .. 1987/88 10 assists ... 1988/89 7 assists ..... 1989/90 injured none assists ..... 1990/91 .... 4 assists .... 1991/92 .... 10 assists and 1992/93 ..... 4 assists ... we'll see now for Sampdoria .. the next one ... 1993/94 . !
     
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  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024









    RUUD GULLIT SAMPDORIA 1993/94 SERIE A CALCIO ... 31 MATCHES ...... 15 GOALS ....... 13 ASSISTS .... 4 PRE-ASSISTS ..... COME BACKING TO BE THE GULLIT FOR FEYENOORD AND PSV .... REALLY GREAT PERFORMANCES ... FOR SAMPDORIA ..IN THIS YEAR ... FOR SURE .
     
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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    ..... wHAT'S the GULLIT VERSION .. YOU PREFER MORE ???? Gullit at Haarlem, Feyenoord , Psv , Ac MIlan , Sampdoria or Chelsea .... what's the gullit version you prefer more in the him all career ????
     
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Maybe PSV, but I didn't see full games from that time.
     
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  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ..... yes Puck van Heel ... he prefers the Gullit's version ... from 1985/86 with 19 assists ... between ... 12 til 17 pre-assists ... he shows ...the report from this year ,,,, for PSV informations with much details .... really .... was a machine .. of triple-doubles .. in this year .... so many many .. assists ...pre-assists ... tacklings ... cover to the team too ... A .Total footballer ...
     
  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, it seems feasible to think that during 1986 Gullit was perhaps the 2nd best player in the world (behind Maradona).

    These things you mention had some influence on my decision for 1985/86 + 1986 (where my top 5 vote was Maradona-Lineker-Gullit-Elkjaer-Michael Laudrup).
     
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  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ... yes ... perfect comment ... yes ,, was sad the Holland outs from the World Cup in 1986 ...by Wim Kieft was sent off against Belgium in the playoffs phase ... ... so because of this ... Gullit don't remember from him ... But really was a amazing year for PSV ... higher up level .... in beast mode ... at all there in that phase .
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    ...... YES DEAR MATE !!! YOU'RE RIGHT FOR SURE .... RUUD GULLIT 1994/95 ... FOR AC MILAN ... THE FIRST PART OF THE SEASON ... 8 MATCHES ....3 GOALS ..... 1 ASSIST ... 1 PRE-ASSIST ....... THE SECOND PART OF THE SEASON FOR SAMPDORIA FROM GENOVA ...... 22 MATCHES .... 9 GOALS .... 4 ASSISTS ... 1 PRE-ASSIST .... .. FOR SURE ... FOR SAMPDORIA WAS MUCH BETTER AGAIN AND AGAIN !!! THE NEXT ONE .. IN CHELSEA 1995/96 ..Barclays Premier League ... or First Division from England .
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    ..... yes .. Ruud Gullit as a libero defender 1995/96 in Chelsea ... 31 matches ..... 3 goals .... ... 5 assists ... against .. Coventry ...West Ham United.. Manchester City ...Middlesbourgh... and Southampton City ..... 6 pre-assists too very good at all .... FA cup 7 matches 3 goals ... 2 assists ... against
    [​IMG] [​IMG] Grimsby Town 4:1 home game [​IMG] Wimbledon FC 3 x 1 away game .... Gullit played .. with Peacock ... Petrescu ... Duberry .... Mark Hughes ... Wise ... Spencer ... yes was a good team ...for sure .... but not that much and not extraordinary .! .... But I felt Ruud Gullit ..as Michel Platini ... in 1986/87 in the last season ..by Michel Platini ... ... i mean .. already a veteran player " older player " .
     
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  25. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    After @Wiliam Felipe Gracek votes:

    2023 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus (so far)
    1
    Erling Haaland (Norway/Manchester City) - 109 (+6pts)
    2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Paris St Germain/Inter Miami) – 91
    3 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 87
    4 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 56 (+4pts)
    5 Vinicius Junior (Brazil/Real Madrid) - 18
    6 Jude Bellingham (England/Borussia Dortmund/Real Madrid), Rodri (Spain/Manchester City) – 14 (+3pts)
    7 Antoine Griezmann (France/Atletico Madrid) - 11
    8 Harry Kane (England/Tottenham/Bayern Munich) - 8
    9 John Stones (England/Manchester City) - 2 (+2pts)
    10 Lautaro Martinez (Argentina/Inter Milan), Ilkay Gundogan (Germany/Manchester City), Khvicha Kvaratskhelia (Georgia/Napoli), Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid), Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool), Bernardo Silva (Portugal, Manchester City) - 1 (+1pt)
     
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