Years ago I sat behind the visitor's bench when Jay Heaps was coaching. Practically every sentence he yelled out at the officials included an f-bomb, directed at whichever official happened to be nearest. None objected.
Oh please. Don’t be insulting. It is a difference when the bad word is attached to the call than when it is attached to the person. I don’t care how calmly or politely someone says “f you” (to me or an opponent), they are gone, no questions asked. But if they say it about the call it is going to depend on how it is said (volume, tone, others around) and can be an eye roll or a caution or a red. Comparing that to the “not talking to you” is, well, f-ing BS.
Guys please bear in mind that comparing non-HS to yes-HS is apples and wombats. Different states have different guidance about what they want us not to pretend to not hear. Kid in a HS jersey is in much greater jeopardy than the same kid in a club jersey.
Totally fair. I only did one year of HS, but we didn’t get silly nonsense pushed down the same way as many places—the most mind boggling of which to me is where soccer players are supposed to be kicked out of games for language but players in other sports are not. The administrators who want a kid s sent off for screaming in pain are out of touch with reality and have no business making rules for anything.
Went with my brother to watch two local DIII college teams play last night. Neither team is going to be conference champs by any stretch, but the parents of the players on the away team were horrendous: "We're playing against TWO teams!" "Stop helping the other team!" "How about now, ya none-athletes! Go back to the library!" (by a parent directed at college-age fans of the opposing team after his team scored)
The last few pages appear to be mostly comments made at high school games. For those of you who have done these games a long time, I don't know how you do it. Most of the sillier comments come from girls varsity matches. The "You have to protect my players" line was utilized by the top team in our county this week on a careless foul at midfield, something I haven't heard in quite some time. A yellow card in HS is useless and not reported here so I had to stop the match and "address" the coach. Even though the experienced assistant coach apologized after the game and a parent on the losing team applauded the way I handled someone entitled and spoiled, it still made me feel as if I just officiated a glorified recreation match. Last night, a coach insisted a PK I gave just before overtime was wrong and spent considerable time explaining why it was (it was a moot point since the opposing team missed). For USSF sanctioned matches, my experience is usually the coach hears you out and moves on. The opposing team is already discussing tactics for overtime and she's discussing something with the referee crew that now that is irrelevant. I asked her if she would be better served to talk to her team during the stoppage since the conversation was going nowhere. Appropriately, their team loses 21 seconds into overtime.
why useless? Even if not reported it has it’s LOTG (oops, “rules”) use: it tells the coach that unless the behavior changes, they won’t be coaching the rest of the game.
I was the referee on a DIII men's game Sunday. At one point a visitor is reaching for the ball with bent legs bringing his head down combined with a shielding home player results in the visitor taking a hand/wrist to the mouth. I give the foul and he needs to step off because his lip is split and bleeding. A few objections that it isn't a yellow, but there wasn't a swing. A few minutes later, his lip is bleeding again. I tell him he has to step off to get it to really stop. Behind me I hear, "I bet it would stop if there was a yellow card." I must have had the correct body language because as I whipped around to find who said it, he was apologizing before I had even locked eyes on him. Of course it was the only player on the field with a yellow already. I was impressed he had the good sense to turn his attitude around that quickly, most at that level aren't that smart.
Unless it has changed, one of the few things I liked about reffing HS was a YC was an instant sub out.
I feel like it really doesn’t make sense. They should just do a sin bin if they want to sub out to give them a chance to cool down. In our games, the player would come out for literally one possession then get put back in.
So our state has additional penalties for players or coaches using 'discriminatory' language. Racial, ethnic, gender, gender preference, religious. The N-word and the like, right,, directed or not. So, in your opinion, is "bitch" in that category? We are in agreement that it's offensive, insulting or abusive, but does it rise to the higher category of nasty? Does it make a difference whether it was used in a boys' game or a girls' game?
Yes, they can, under the NFHS rule book. But I remind coaches every year before the season that it is up to their professional judgement to determine whether that kid is going to go right back out there and get a second caution. And every year, some forget.
My state used to have a 10 minute sit-out. I ended my high school career 20+ (god...) years ago in timeout after a FRD caution in overtime. I was not much cooler when my team was scored on while I was on the bench.
Absolutely. The wise coaches sit a player to cool them down, especially after a dissent caution. The last week of the regular season (a couple weeks ago), we made a point of mentioning during the pregame meeting with coaches and captains that with playoffs right around the corner, the last thing they should want is a red card that will take them out of one or more playoff games.
Criminey...We're in soccer playoffs right now... In my state: If a field player/GK that has not been subbed (still a "player") gets a 2CT RC, team plays down but they are "disqualified" not "ejected" and thus not suspended. If a anyone gets a straight RC, or a substitute or coach gets either a 2CT or straight RC, it's an ejection and the suspension applies. Winning team the other night had HC and a player both receive 2CT RC. Per the state rules, player receiving 2CT was a player at the time so no suspension. But the coach is always suspended for 2CT or straight RC. From what I've heard, the new state HS admin did not read their own soccer rules closely and told the school HC was not suspended for 2CT.... Fast-forward 2 days... I am on the should-have-been-suspended coach's next game, a district playoff final... Opponent HC knew the rules and pre-game was asking, "WTH?" Sorry coach, suspensions are not in our (referee's) purview. But, have your AD snap a few photos and inquire with the State, just in case they win .
Girls high school playoff match and I am the AR. Coach screams out "Hey Referee, you need to call it both ways". I quietly approach the Coach and whisper in his ear. Respectfully, you do realize that if you are calling the referee " a homer", you are insinuating that he is a cheater and that is grounds for an immediate dismissal. But we both know that is not what you just did (wink wink). He didn't say a word the rest of the match. Game ended with kicks from the penalty mark in the 9th round just as darkness was approaching.
Had a particularly vocal fan for the visiting team in a HS playoff game last night. He bellowed "call it both ways!" so often that he apparently forgot who he was rooting for when I awarded his team a free kick and he let one fly.
Years ago a head coach at a D3 Womens match screams at me as the center, "What kind of g-d damn call was that?". They wanted to know exactly why they were carded, when I said dissent with language, they disputed g-d damn part of what they said and not the actual screaming at me at the top of their lungs...still makes me laugh.