Indeed. 14.1.1 A penalty kick shall be awarded when a foul, which ordinarily results in the awarding of a direct free kick, occurs within the offending team's penalty area."
I think I just saw a bad call for a red card and a PK in the Paralympics, but I'm not sure what sort of leeway a referee would give a blind player for stumbling into an opponent. China missed the PK with less than 30 seconds left, and France held on for a 1-0 win.
But in this situation, it’s not even a foul. The ball was already out of play for a goal kick. In the IFAB example, the ball still has to be in play even if the players are off the field.
Totally, but in a FIFA game the explanation that it wasn’t in the PA is a bad one if it was in the PA extended. I didn’t realize that was a HS difference.
Just thought of this. A meaningless scrimmage would be a great time to place a bet with the coach that you stop the game and go to your phone to get the rule book up. If you're right he gets sent off for abusive language, if he's right you give them a penalty kick. See if he'll put his money where his mouth is. Then you bring up the first sentence of 12.4, make him read it out loud, then send him off.
Sure, you can prove the refs are in fact arrogant a$$e$, or you could just say, “happy to explain it further after the game, and I can even show you where it is in the book.”
I wasn’t actually serious about doing that, of course. But it’s funny the optics of how a coach can berate a referee for not knowing the rules and that’s fine, but if the referee wanted to bring the rule book out and show the coach that he’s actually the one who’s wrong, it means the referee is an arrogant jackass. Too bad there can’t be protests in soccer games like there are in some other sports where you actually do have to bring out the rule book and see if the coach or the referee is correct
Well, there's a HUGE difference in what you said and what he said. (I get you say it was a joke, but you really can't compare the two things.) Arrogant A-hole trying to show him up in front of everyone: Doing your job and letting him know that once you're done with it you'll stay late to explain why:
If a coach gave a rats ass what the rule was he would know it already. He’s being a pita for the sake of being a pita.
In track & field the referee is the one who pulls out the rule book when there is a protest. Of course, it's much easier when those kinds of decisions are all made after the race/jump/throw has finished. I once had a college coach arguing that the warm up time for pole vault was 90 minutes. (30 minutes, maybe 45 is normal.) I told him that there is no rule in the NCAA rules about how long the warm up time is. When he continued to argue, insistent but not loudly or angry, I handed him my rule book and told him that we'd give his jumpers more time if he could find it in the book. He flipped back and forth, as another coach was standing next to him, telling him that he's wrong. I just started the event while he was still looking. His two jumpers weren't starting until much later heights anyway. By then, he had admitted that he couldn't find it.
This reminds me of a story from probably 20 years ago. College soccer match and I arrive on the pitch 45 minutes before kickoff. Away team Coach comes storming as I arrive in the parking lot wanting to protest the match. Coach explained that the rulebook states that the away team must always be provided free access to the home team game balls for warmups. I said Coach, you are welcome to protest this situation, but I don't recall ever seeing this as a mandatory procedure. He pulled the rulebook to show me. I eventually went over to greet the home team Coach, home team Coach said that away team Coach never bothered to ask anyone for a gameball. Away team Coach lost in OT and I never heard another word about it. All about gamesmanship..
Not a rules thing, but I was, many years ago, 4th for a D1 men's college game. Visiting team from two time zones away and their coach was one of those "Oh, it's so nice to see you.....' guys. Okay. He is on the bench, next to his assistant, as the game is about to start. He has a clipboard with a soccer field diagram on the back, usually a bad sign, in my experience. He's got a green felt tip pen but he's struggling to get the cap off. Well, it comes off, rather suddenly. The assistant is struggling mightily not to laugh but the head coach now has green dots all over face and they're on the wall behind him as well. The home team is ahead by a goal, late in the game, and a fair number of balls are getting blasted out of a rather tight stadium, to the point that the ball holders sometimes didn't have a replacement ball back yet from out in the parking lot. Visiting coach is ranting about this but I'm ignoring him because there really isn't anything I can do. The home coach, always a gentleman, stands up and turns to the equipment manager. "I want six balls," which the guy provides. The home coach then lobs them, one by one, over me to the visiting head coach. I see nothing, I hear nothing...... We later heard that the visiting team would not be invited back. And two years later, the green dots were still on the wall. Fast forward to the time I was on the NFHS national soccer rules committee. One of the other members of the committee is from the city where that visiting team is located. He mentions that his wife is the secretary to the head coach. I decide I'm not going to say anything, but he knew that the team had been to my city and that I had been on the game. And then the guy adds, "Isn't he an ass?" "Yes!" It's like some coaches seem to automatically assume that they're going to get a big advantage by buttering up or yelling at the referees, enough of an advantage that they spend their pre-game time doing it, rather than getting their players' heads in the right place. They aren't our boss, we aren't their boss, so can we just play the game on the field?
well said...I laugh about my story because so much time has passed...but barely getting out of my car and hearing about a potential protest, that threw me for a loop.
Again, being the track nerd, I was the referee for the second day of a district/league championship meet. (I was not the referee for the previous day.) As soon as I walk up, I am hit with a protest over something that happened the previous day.
since you were not there, at least you didn't need to give any explanation...a buddy of mine is a Track & Field high school official and he gets called to the National finals every year.
I can now say that it is officially the fall high school soccer season for me. In my game, I heard both “There’s no offsides on a throw-in” and “They didn’t ask for 10 yards.”
Tonight I was dubbed "Mr. Magoo," by someone in a crowd that could not have found Waldo with three lifelines and a magnifying glass.
I too was puzzled. Of course out there, UHF signals might just be arriving from the original broadcast.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Lp8baeU4RiRaPNau/?mibextid=D5vuiz I saw this on Facebook, and a number of commenters including a number of self-described refs, say this isn't a foul? Am I missing something?