I felt Gio had a solid tournament. He generally looked sharp on the ball and good on defense and he worked his way back up to a solid 90 minute performance against Uruguay. When is the last time he went 90, it's been literally forever. He was still running at the end. This tournament should put an end to any notion that he can't play defense. The stat is surprising, and from an optics perspective I'm not sure I'd say that there is much merit to it but I guess it is what it is. I seem to recall that he was involved in the buildup if one of the Bolivia goals?? I will say that I want Gio to be a bit more goal assertive. He seems to have lost a bit of that aspect of his game. Anybody paying attention knows that he is one of our most talented players with the ball. He needs to be put in a position to leverage his strengths and that is not hanging back and holding Richard's and Ream's hands.
I find Marsh's success with Canada a great thumbing of the eye of US Soccer. And can anyone get a mod to reach out to me about my unjust ban from the next coach thread.
FBref has Gio with 4 live pass shot creating actions and 1 defensive SCA, so this does not seem to be correct. They also have him with 2 key passes, 1 shot, 10 passes into the final third (second to Ream’s 11), 12 progressive passes (tied for first with Pulisic),
From WCQ: Football changes and it’s what the game will need to continue to play against the biggest teams. Again, doesn’t guarantee results but you do have a hand as a coach in getting the team to buy into this Canada and @jessemarsch showing it against Venezuela & in #CopaAmerica2024 https://t.co/PVNEpikITD pic.twitter.com/1pqGTDkFX8— Hugo Perez (@HugoPerezDT) July 6, 2024
watching Euros and Copa back to back makes it seem like different sports at times given the aggression in the Copa.
Sometimes talent can overcome poor coaching. I would want nothing to do with Southgate for the USMNT.
The refereeing has been absolutely night-and-day. Not only has the Copa's officiating been much more tolerant, but some of the most blatantly biased that I've seen at this level in a long time, honestly, and I don't often scream "bias!"
In 2 of the 3 matches we played, we had an officiating crew that seemed very strongly to draw a significantly more strict line on our behavior early in the match than they did for our opponents. If that were true (and that is my honest opinion), that would go a LONG way toward explaining this stat, or at least our ranking. It would also go some distance towards explaining Uruguay's as for as many fouls as they have committed throughout the tournament, their ratio of cards-to-fouls has been quite low all tournament long, suggesting that they've benefited from bias in the other direction.
Uruguay had 2 yellows and a red v. Brazil. Why would they start amassing yellows v. Bolivia and Panama then add some more against USA when they already had, basically, group won? Then go into Brazil game with a player sitting on cards earned v. Bolivia? Maybe the bias you see is actually Uruguay just being smart.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. The amount of fouling by teams in the Copa really degrades the game.
I wish people would stop with the utter nonsense of using Canada's progression in COPA as some proof that Marsch is a better coach than Berhalter. Its been debunked 100 times on the New Coach thread and I am not going to turn this into that same rabbit hole.
Reasonable minds can disagree on whether Marsch is a better coach than Berhalter. I happen to believe Marsch is better and with a better resume. The idea that anything has been “debunked” is ludicrous.
Neither of them are Juergen Klopp,though. Finally,we can all agree, right? Who am I kidding,this is Big Soccer
Ok we'll just agree to disagree. Marsch may be a better coach. He may have a better overall resume. But IMO using COPA to show that HAS in fact been debunked a bunch of times in here.
Here's a trivial bit of USMNT gossip from Saturday night, 5 days after we were ousted from the Copa... I was having dinner outside with my wife at a restaurant near me in CT. When 10 feet behind her I see a guy who looks just like Claudio Reyna walk through the parking lot. I mention this to my wife who says "who's that?". My eyes follow him as he walks around some trees and then I see Gio too. Plus their ladies. (Gio just got engaged I heard) They went inside, I stayed outside. I gave my wife a quick primer on the "scandal" that happened around the Reynas during WC'22... she humored me to listen. At one point, the door opened and I heard some loud-mouth inside say "Hey US Soccer is here!" What is the point to this post? Not much. Only to say that not only was it quite a surprise to see them here on my turf, but also a bit jarring to see Gio so soon after our painful and deflating exit from Copa. Shouldn't he be in some exotic vacation spot? Or maybe he's sticking close to (his parents) home while figuring out where he's gonna play this season?? (honestly no idea if Dortmund is having him) p.s. Sorry, didn't see a better thread to put this "lightweight" post
There was a time I would have felt pretty certain Marsch was a better coach than Berhalter and in many ways I'd still think he likely is. But his last few jobs in Europe went poorly enough that I do think the shine has come off. I mean, I won't argue that Berhalter's time in Europe was any better at lower levels and mostly his resume leans heavily on his time with the US, getting them qualified and out of the World Cup group, but Marsch does not look the sure thing he did for a time either, this run with Canada looking more the exception than the rule. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out over the longer term for Marsch at Canada and for whatever the future holds for Berhalter. I don't see either of them looking like a slam dunk pick for a coach beyond MLS level at the moment. At that level, I'd take either of them.
I just don't really see how anyone can put a specific number on it. Marsch is clearly a good rah-rah motivator, though his motivational style in the broader world of sports tends to have a shelf life. Marsch's entire club career is with a very specific style. He's changed with Canada, which is a plus, especially because that style can be hard to implement and keep up, but that's years and years of experience that isn't going to necessarily be as directly applicable. So there's open questions on his tactical acumen. He also clearly wasn't tactically ready for the top level -- his inability to keep up with Nagelsmann helped run him out of Leipzig and he wasn't able to adjust to shore up a failing defense with a relegation battle in Leeds. Of course, not being as tactically adept as Julian Nagelsmann is a big category. Marsch's NYRB career is very good but not particularly different than others. He came into a club that had won a Shield two years prior, won a Shield himself and half of one before he left and left it to Armas ... but lost in the semis and the quarters in the playoffs despite being a #1 seed both times and lost his 1 final, a USOC match. Armas finished off his season with the Shield and lost in the semis again. He won at Salzburg, but this European play and even in league was less impressive than Marco Rose or other managers that ran through there. He had a huge talent disparity and didn't screw it up. I look across that career and I'm not going to give him much credit for getting the job at Leipzig or Leeds; if he kills it at an MLS club that doesn't own European teams he never gets those jobs. And he didn't last long. He did well in MLS. He's got some clear pluses -- players like playing for him and he brings intensity. He's clearly not an awful tactical coach but there's zero evidence he's a good one (or better than Berhalter) and he's shown both a lack of ability to adjust and his coaching history is very concentrated to certain styles. That style is a good fit for Canada and not a bad one for the US. And that's it. Like, I don't know how people can be more certain. This Copa run is a tiny data point in that whole history. Someone tried to tell me that a failed relegation defense somehow proved he was better. I think his rah-rah nature is probably a good contrast to five years of Berhalter. I think if you are like, you, skeptical of possession, that his style preferences probably track. I don't know why anyone would think he would solve some of our more specific final third problems or elevate the players from a gameplan perspective.
Probably marriage stuff. I believe his fiancee is from Connecticut Meet Gio Reyna’s Soccer Player Girlfriend Chloe Ortolano: All You Need To Know About Nottingham Forest Star’s Partner (msn.com) While he is not married, he is in a relationship with Chloe Ortolano, who is also a talented soccer player. Let us delve deeper into the enigmatic presence of Chloe Ortolano in Gio Reyna’s life. Continue reading Who is Chloe Ortolano? Chloe Ortolano, the daughter of Jeffery and Gina Ortolano, was born in Norwalk, Connecticut.
Well that would seem to explain it! And I did have that thought before. Given that he just popped the question... there's planning to do!
Yeah, Marsch did well in MLS, got the first job in Europe and did well with a clear talent advantage, but the fact that a big organization like Red Bull kept moving him up sure made it look like he was a coach on the rise and when he got to Germany he had then gotten to a higher level than all but a very select number of American coaches and did so while still quite young. He certainly convinced a lot of experienced people so there's likely something there. At that point, I though he looked like the real deal, throw in a couple Champions League wins where he did not have the talent advantage and things looked great. But the Bundesliga is where things started to fade. They more or less went with the amicable parting thing that let both sides save face, and he landed another top-level job, but the Leeds run was where he really lost his mojo. Now, he's rehabbing with Canada and so far doing well. I agree it's far from a sure thing with him, we'll have to wait and see. But I don't think it is absurd for people to prefer him to Berhalter who similarly only really had much success in MLS where he similarly did well but never really made it over the final hurdle, and his European adventure was a bigger disaster by any measure, failing at a much lower level. His time with the US is really the most success he can hang his hat on, and I think that when he got rehired, he was looking at a job in Mexico and not a bigger league shows that the world felt similarly that he was fine but nothing special to attract a top job. I honestly would have liked to see what would have happened with him at Club America. That would have been quite the adventure. They have both had a so-so track record when they tried to move beyond MLS, with a couple highlights but still a lot to prove. One over the other likely as much a personal preference as any clear difference at this point, but they are both still relatively young, so we'll see how things play out down the road. The only reason either are always in the US conversation is because they are American and we have very few American coaches with experience abroad. It's basically these two, Matarazzo (who I'd prefer to either) and no one unless you count Bradley's time abroad. There's nothing particularly special in the larger world of professional coaches about either of them.