Maybe IceBlood is planning the same again himself I think (for some of the early years I think it would have to be a top 5 rather than top 10 though of course, if he did go back to those - I think he did them from 1950 onwards previously, up to 10th position, and tied 10th position might be the limit to make it on one of them I guess). I'll not get involved myself with anything like that though (apart from maybe having helped with the full names if IceBlood wants to use those), so it's whether IceBlood wants to do it again, and from earlier than before, or not....
As you've still finished compiling, we can accept this as a last-minute arrival. However, I'd like to ask the author @Jaune Vaughn to vote for the other decades as soon as possible. If possible, by the end of next week.
Ok, sure mate, yes (if he does want to vote for any other decades of course - it might be he just feels well placed to vote on that single one, but some other guys have done the same as that anyway). I'll carry on with the early years updates, but then make a new update for the 2010s too then afterwards in that case.
1898 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 30 2 Gilbert Oswald Smith (England/Old Carthusians/Corinthians) - 20 3 Daniel Doyle (Scotland/Celtic) - 11 4 Frank Forman (England/Nottingham Forest) - 8 5 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 2 1899 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Robert Hamilton (Scotland/Rangers) - 28 2 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 19 3 Jimmy Crabtree (England/Aston Villa) - 11 4 Gilbert Oswald Smith (England/Corinthians) - 9 5 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 3 6 Charlie Aftersmith (England/Aston Villa) - 1
my votes for the 2000's decade 2000: 1. Luis Figo (Barcelona & Portugal) 2. Zinedine Zidane (Juventus & France) 3. Pavel Nedved (Lazio & Czech Republic) 4. Alessandro Nesta (Lazio & Italy) 5. Raul (Real Madrid & Spain) HM: Kahn, Roberto Carlos, Emerson, Davids, Mendieta, Rivaldo 2001: 1. Luis Figo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 2. Zinedine Zidane (Juventus & France) 3. Francesco Totti (Roma & Italy) 4. Pavel Nedved (Lazio & Czech Republic) 5. Raul (Real Madrid & Spain) HM: Kahn, Cafu, Vieira, Rui Costa, Rivaldo, Nesta, Samuel, Roberto Carlos, Crespo, 2002: 1. Michael Ballack (Bayer 04 Leverkusen & Germany) 2. Robert Pires (Arsenal & France) 3. Thierry Henry (Arsenal & France) 4. Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid & France) 5. Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid & Brazil) HM: Valeron, Kahn, Trezeguet, Lucio, Samuel, Van Nistelrooy 2003: 1. Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid & France) 2. Thierry Henry (Arsenal & France) 3. Pavel Nedved (Juventus & Czech Republic) 4. Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Brazil) 5. Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United & Netherlands) HM: Makaay, Nihat Kahveci, Scholes, Buffon, Maldini, Nesta, Alonso, Viera 2004: 1. Thierry Henry (Arsenal & France) 2. Deco (Porto & Portugal) 3. Andriy Shevchenko (Milan & Ukraine) 4. Alessandro Nesta (Milan & Italy) 5. Ronaldinho (Barcelona & Brazil) HM: Totti, Vicente, Pires, Giuly, Ronaldo, Kaka, Pirlo, Viera, Lampard 2005: 1. Ronaldinho (Barcelona & Brazil) 2. Frank Lampard (Chelsea & England) 3. Thierry Henry (Arsenal & France) 4. Steven Gerrard (Liverpool & England) 5. Kaka (Milan & Brazil) HM: John Terry, Makelele, Ballack, Deco, Forlan, Samuel Eto'o 2006: 1. Ronaldinho (Barcelona & Brazil) 2. Thierry Henry (Arsenal & France) 3. Andrea Pirlo (Milan & Italy) 4. Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona & Cameroon) 5. Miroslav Klose (Werder Bremen & Germany) HM: Gerrard, Cannavaro, Ballack, Pirlo, Deco, Rooney, Totti 2007: 1. Kaka (Milan & Brazil) 2. Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United & Portugal) 3. Francesco Totti (AS Roma & Italy) 4. Didier Drogba (Chelsea & Côte d’Ivoire) 5. Steven Gerrard (Liverpool & England) HM: Dani Alves, Maicon, Cambiasso, Cesc Fabregas, Giggs, Scholes, Messi 2008: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United & Portugal) 2. Fernando Torres (Liverpool & Spain) 3. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 4. Steven Gerrard (Liverpool & England) 5. Kaka (AC Milan & Brazil) HM: Casillas, Dani Alves, Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Cesc Fabregas, Sergio Aguero 2009: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Xavi (Barcelona & Spain) 3. Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United & Portugal) 4. Andres Iniesta (Barcelona & Spain) 5. Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona & Cameroon) HM: Steven Gerrard, Kaka, Dani Alves, Xabi Alonso, Vidic, Giggs, Lampard
and for 2020's 2020: 1. Robert Lewandowski (Bayern Munich & Poland) 2. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 3. Joshua Kimmich (Bayern Munich & Germany) 4. Kevin De Bruyne (Manchester City & Belgium) 5. Virgil Van Dijk (Liverpool & Netherlands) HM: Alexander-Arnold, Sergio Ramos, Thiago, Di Maria, Gnabry, Neymar 2021: 1. Robert Lewandowski (Bayern Munich & Poland) 2. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 3. Erling Haaland (Borussia Dortmund & Norway) 4. Kylian Mbappe (PSG & France) 5. Karim Benzema (Real Madrid & France) HM: Bruno Fernandes, Kevin De Bruyne, Riyad Mahrez, Ruben Dias, Ilkay Gundogan, N'Golo Kante 2022: 1. Karim Benzema (Real Madrid & France) 2. Kylian Mbappe (PSG & France) 3. Vinicius Junior (Real Madrid & Brazil) 4. Kevin De Bruyne (Manchester City & Belgium) 5. Mohamed Salah (Liverpool & Egypt) HM: Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, B. Silva, Lewandowski, Kimmich 2023: 1. Erling Haaland (Manchester City & Norway) 2. Lionel Messi (PSG & Argentina) 3. Kylian Mbappe (PSG & France) 4. Kevin De Bruyne (Manchester City & Belgium) 5. Vinicius Jr (Real Madrid & Brazil) HM: Rodri, Greizmann, Gundogan, Bellingham, Ter Stegen, Rashford
Here goes my vote for 2023: 2023: Haaland, De Bruyne, Mbappé, Vinicius, Bellingham @PDG1978 , One question, why does Messi have so many points in the 2023 classification? I have been looking at this thread and I don't see (except by mistake on my part) that many people have voted for him in 2023. Or are we also including votes that do not appear in this thread? Thank you.
IceBlood has been handling the 2023 voting tallies mate, so I've not been involved in that (I guess it's been split off from 'historical voting' as a 'current vote'). If there is any doubt as to the correct tallies perhaps I could help at some point, but I'm a bit reluctant to say that as I'd probably find it harder to pick things up anyway having not been involved initially. People were adding their 2023 votes as 'real-time' votes when the time came and IceBlood was adding up the scores as they did.
I do remember though that I checked at one point, when there had been a couple of stray votes missed when IceBlood did an update himself for the historical side of things (when I was taking quite a while to do it and he had some free time to help out IIRC), whether there had been any missed ones for 2023 too and I concluded that there hadn't been. But yeah, other than that, I haven't been studying the 2023 votes (perhaps I read them all but I wasn't keeping track as such anyway I mean) or tallying them up.
Some of the Reddit voters perhaps did include submitted 2023 votes in the end though I guess, so those ones would not be showing directly on the thread. IceBlood might be able to quickly help show the source of all the 2023 points Messi has accumulated I guess when he next comes back on the thread.
Next time I'm logged on I'll show the final full-decade overall summaries for both the 1890s and 1900-1909, so @Naubi I can add these votes in from you for that second period when I do that (but I'd wanted to give you a chance to amend them if you wanted because you'd indicated at one point you probably would - let us know if you still do want to, but otherwise I can add points for these players; 6 for 1st, 4 for 2nd and 3 for 3rd as normal for a 3-player list, and like I've done for the votes of Gutigut that we could use for 1894-1899 indeed too).
1900 A. Smith / R. McColl / G.O. Smith 1901 Bloomer / B. Walker / Needham 1902 B. Walker / N. Doig / J. Robertson 1903 B. Walker / J. Robertson / Raisbeck 1904 Meredith / R. Hamilton / H. Burgess 1905 Meredith / C. Veitch / A. Leake 1906 Raisbeck / B. Walker / R. Crompton 1907 Meredith / R. Crompton / S. Bloomer 1908 Meredith / R. Crompton / J. Rutherford 1909 Woodward / Meredith / W. Wedlock
1888 N. Ross / J. Goodall / R. Howarth 1889 J. Goodall / W. Bassett / J. Gordon 1890 N. Ross / J. Ross / W. Arnott 1891 J. Goodall / E. Chadwick / N. Ross 1892 W. Bassett / J. Goodall / A. McMahon 1893 J. Campbell / A. McMahon / J. Ross 1894 J. Reynolds / A. McMahon / W. Bassett 1895 J. Campbell / N. Doig / J. Reynolds 1896 G. O. Smith / J. Goodall / Bloomer 1897 Needham / Crabtree / Bloomer 1898 Needham / G.O. Smith / Bloomer 1899 Bloomer / R. Hamilton / Crabtree
1900 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Alexander Smith (Scotland/Rangers) - 34 2 Robert Smyth McColl (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 22 3 John Campbell (Scotland/Celtic) - 9 4 Gilbert Oswald Smith (England/Corinthians) - 8 5 William Garraty (England/Aston Villa) - 4 6 Neilly Gibson (Scotland/Rangers), Leigh Richmond Roose (Wales/Aberystwyth Town) - 3 8 Jasper McLuckie (Scotland/Bury) - 2 9 Alex Raisbeck (Scotland/Liverpool) - 1 1901 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Bobby Walker (Scotland/Heart of Midlothian) - 34 2 Robert Hamilton (Scotland/Rangers) - 18 3 Alex Raisbeck (Scotland/Liverpool) - 12 4 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 14 5 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 5 6 Sandy Brown (Scotland/Tottenham Hotspur) - 3 1902 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 34 2 Frank Forman (England/Nottingham Forest) - 17 3 John Robertson (Scotland/Rangers) - 16 4 Bobby Walker (Scotland/Heart of Midlothian) - 11 5 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 4 6 Alex Raisbeck (Scotland/Liverpool), Jan Studnicka (Austria/Vienna AC) - 2 1903 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Bobby Walker (Scotland/Heart of Midlothian) - 36 2 John Robertson (Scotland/Rangers) - 19 3 Alex Raisbeck (Scotland/Liverpool) - 16 4 Andy Aitken (Scotland/Newcastle United), Sam Raybould (England/Liverpool) - 4 6 Jan Studnicka (Austria/Vienna AC) - 3 7 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers), Charlie Sagar (England/Bury) - 2 1904 Ballon d'Or Revisitied panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester City) - 36 2 Robert Hamilton (Scotland/Rangers) - 21 3 Herbert Burgess (England/Manchester City) - 18 4 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 9 5 Tommy Crawshaw (England/Sheffield Wednesday) - 2 1905 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester City) - 33 2 Alex Leake (England/Aston Villa) - 19 3 Leigh Richmond Roose (Wales/Everton/Stoke City) - 12 4 Colin Veitch (England/Newcastle United - 10 5 Andy Aitken (Scotland/Newcastle United) - 6 6 Jimmy Quinn (Scotland/Celtic) - 4 7 Joe Bache (England/Aston Villa) - 2 1906 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Alex Raisbeck (Scotland/Liverpool) - 36 2 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 21 3 Colin Veitch (England/Newcastle United) - 12 4 Andy Aitken (Scotland/Newcastle United), Albert Shepherd (England/Bolton Wanderers), Bobby Walker (Scotland/Heart of Midlothian) - 4 6 Joe Hewitt (England/Liverpool) - 3 7 Leigh Richmond Roose (Wales/Stoke City) - 2 1907 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester United) - 34 2 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 22 3 Steve Bloomer (England/Middlesbrough) - 15 4 John 'Jock' Rutherford (England/Newcastle United) - 6 5 Colin Veitch (England/Newcastle United) - 4 6 Jimmy Quinn (Scotland/Celtic) - 3 7 Leigh Richmond Roose (Wales/Stoke City/Sunderland) - 2 1908 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester United) - 34 2 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 20 3 John 'Jock' Rutherford (England/Newcastle United) - 17 4 Vivian Woodward (England/Tottenham Hotspur) - 8 5 Charlie Roberts (England/Manchester United) - 4 6 Sophus Nielsen (Denmark/BK Frem) - 3 1909 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester United) - 30 2 Vivian Woodward (England/Tottenham Hotspur) - 20 3 Billy Wedlock (England/Bristol City) - 18 4 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 11 5 Bert Freeman (England/Everton), Jimmy Quinn (Scotland/Celtic) - 3 7 George Holley (England/Sunderland) - 1 That's the 1900s summary, with the new votes of Naubi added in, and a couple of other things tidied up after a check....
@Buyo I used the right votes for Messi, the ranking is correct, I checked everything. In reality, I think he got back quite a few votes anyway, because 1) in general, we have fewer voters for more recent years; 2) voters used 2023 or 2022-2023 to represent 2023, as agreed; 3) in reality, he became second long ago, because part of the voting panel used 2022 to put him in first place, not 2023. This is what happens when you have the duality of calendar and season. In the end, he won't win any Ballon d'Or in 2022 or 2023 for our consensus, because the impact of the World Cup is right in the middle, even that tends these votes a little more towards 2023. Anyway, I'll add your votes as soon as possible.
Full 1890s decade standings with Naubi's votes added in: 1890 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Jimmy Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 26 2 Nick Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 24 3 Walter Arnott (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 15 4 Thomas Robertson (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 4 5 James Trainer (Wales/Preston North End) - 2 1891 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Edgar Chadwick (England/Everton) - 28 2 Jack Southworth (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 16 3 Nick Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 15 4 John Goodall (England/Derby County) - 6 5 Alf Milward (England/Everton) - 4 6 Walter Arnott (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 2 1892 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 30 3 Sandy McMahon (Scotland/Celtic) - 16 3 Hughie Wilson (Scotland/Sunderland) - 14 4 John Campbell (Scotland/Sunderland)* - 5 5 John Goodall (England/Derby County) - 4 6 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 2 1893 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 John Campbell (Scotland/Sunderland) - 30 2 Jimmy Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 18 3 Hughie Wilson (Scotland/Sunderland) - 13 4 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion), Sandy McMahon (Scotland/Celtic) - 4 6 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 2 1894 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 John Reynolds (England/Aston Villa) - 36 2 Daniel Doyle (Scotland/Celtic) - 19 3 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 15 4 John Goodall (England/Derby County) - 7 5 Sandy McMahon (Scotland/Celtic) - 4 6 Jimmy Hannah (Scotland/Sunderland) - 3 1895 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 John Campbell (Scotland/Sunderland) - 36 2 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 23 3 John Reynolds (England/Aston Villa) - 19 4 Jimmy Hannah (Scotland/Sunderland) - 4 5 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 2 1896 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Gilbert Oswald Smith (England/Corinthians/Oxford University) - 34 2 John Goodall (England/Derby County) - 19 3 James Cowan (Scotland/Aston Villa) - 16 4 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 9 5 Neilly Gibson (Scotland/Rangers) - 4 6 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 2 1897 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 30 2 Howard Spencer (England/Aston Villa) - 13 3 Charlie Aftersmith (England/Aston Villa) - 11 4 Jimmy Crabtree (England/Aston Villa) - 10 5 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County), James Cowan (Scotland/Aston Villa) - 7 7 Fred Wheldon (England/Aston Villa) - 4 8 John Bell (Scotland/Everton) - 2 1898 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 36 2 Gilbert Oswald Smith (England/Old Carthusians/Corinthians) - 24 3 Daniel Doyle (Scotland/Celtic) - 11 4 Frank Forman (England/Nottingham Forest) - 8 5 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 5 1899 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Robert Hamilton (Scotland/Rangers) - 32 2 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 25 3 Jimmy Crabtree (England/Aston Villa) - 14 4 Gilbert Oswald Smith (England/Corinthians) - 9 5 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 3 6 Charlie Aftersmith (England/Aston Villa) - 1
After @Jaune Vaughn and @Buyo votes 2023 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus (so far) 1 Erling Haaland (Norway/Manchester City) - 121 (+12pts) 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Paris St Germain/Inter Miami) – 95 (+4pts) 3 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 93 (+6pts) 4 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 62 (+6pts) 5 Vinicius Junior (Brazil/Real Madrid) - 21 (+3pts) 6 Jude Bellingham (England/Borussia Dortmund/Real Madrid) - 15 (+1pt) 7 Rodri (Spain/Manchester City) – 14 8 Antoine Griezmann (France/Atletico Madrid) - 11 9 Harry Kane (England/Tottenham/Bayern Munich) - 8 10 John Stones (England/Manchester City) - 2 11 Lautaro Martinez (Argentina/Inter Milan), Ilkay Gundogan (Germany/Manchester City), Khvicha Kvaratskhelia (Georgia/Napoli), Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid), Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool), Bernardo Silva (Portugal, Manchester City) - 1
1888 and 1889 editions, with the votes of Tom Stevens, Peterhrt/elegos7, IceBlood and Naubi who has voted on these years too now: 1888 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Nick Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 30 2 John Goodall (England/Preston North End) - 20 3 Bob Howarth (England/Preston North End) - 15 4 Jack Gordon (Scotland/Preston North End) - 4 5 Walter Arnott (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 2 1889 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Jack Gordon (Scotland/Preston North End) - 25 2 John Goodall (England/Preston North End/Derby County) - 22 3 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 16 4 Jimmy Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 5 5 James Kelly (Scotland/Celtic) - 3