The 100 Greatest X of All Time Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    ............ yes ... i agree with you ... for sure . !


    Yes . Today I was thinking about this for sure... so I decided to include penalties suffered in the criteria as well. Luckily... all mentioned...

    ...Ruud Gullit, Michel Platini, Diego Armando Maradona
    Michael Laudrup, Zinedine Zidane and Ronaldinho Gaucho had not been penalized in these final matches for all of them. Only Dennis Bergkamp had... a key plays...
    or a penalty suffered against Torino of Italy..

    Uefa Cup.. he dribbles past two Torino players and concedes the penalty..for Ajax and later Goal .


    It has already been updated in my current research, adding 9 goal participations.... in 19 final matches.. Dennis Bergkamp .



    yes I agree with this.. it's cool to do it... But... as Di Stefano and Puskas it's also more difficult

    execute it this way


    But... for players from 2000's onwards, it's easier to do it this way. !



    But remember man !


    like i said before for you

    Ronaldinho Gaucho vs France or Inter Brazil in 2006 ... just ( 1 ) and ( 1 ) in big chances created or passes decisives in these matche s. has the two sides of the coin always . as well dear mate .
     
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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024









    Alfredo Di Stefano ... Final 5 ...... 5 matches ... 4 goals .... 2 assists and 1 pre-assist til here !
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    ............... on Michael Laudrup in general .


    yes... I already saw this pass from him in the final to Stoichkov 1992.. well.. this question already goes into his passing qualities.. from Michael Laudrup


    in winning eleven in the older versions I played


    He had really high passing quality


    deeper pass and vision = 94-95 ( Sombreros passes )


    plays one-twos 86

    Long Range Pass 90-91


    Crossing 92-94

    because ambidextrous passing qualities.. But honestly What was missing most for Laudrup was to have more of an instict assassin for the goal.. and Obsession to score the goals too always .

    honestly... Johan Cruyff 1993-94 preferred to bet all his chips on Romario in the Champions League, not Laudrup. in 1994 ..
     
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  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ........... Ronaldinho Passes


    ....... Deeper pass and vision 90-92
    ........ plays one -twos 88-92
    ........ Long range Pass 90-91
    ............ crossing 82-87
    ........first touch 92-93






    .......... Dennis Bergkamp

    ........... Deeper pass and vision 92-94
    ..........
    ....... plays one -twos 86- 88
    ........ Long range Pass 91-92
    ............ crossing 82-87
    ........first touch 93-94
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Di Stefano Final 10 ..... 10 matches .... 9 goals .... 4 assists ..... 1 ...pre-assist ....0 key plays til here !
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Di Stefano ..... Final 11 ... 11 matches ..... 9 goals ... 4 assists .... 1 pre-assist ... 0 key plays !
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Di Stefano .... Final 12 .... 12 matches .... 10 goals .... 4 assists .... 1 . pre-assist ... 0 key plays til here !
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Di Stefano .... Final 13 .. 13 matches ..... 10 goals .... 4 assists .... 1 pre-assist .. 0 key plays til here !
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    Di Stefano .... Final 14 .... 14 matches .... 10 goals ..... 5 assists ... 2 pre-assists ... 0 key plays til here !
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Di Stefano Final 15 ..... 15 matches .... 10 goals ..... 5 assists .... 2 pre-assists .... 0 key plays til here !
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    .
    ............Til Here ! Right Now !

    Ranking Rate = Goals + Assists + Pre-Assists (type 1, type 2 ) + Penalties Suffered ( as a Key Plays . ) .........................

    Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals .....+ 4 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 11
    Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... + 3 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 6
    Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... + 3 assists and + 4 pre-assists aswell ! + 1 penalty suffered Total = 9
    Ronaldinho Gaucho 27 matches ..... 6 goals .... + 5 assists and .... + 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre french cup final in 2003 ) Total = 12 participations in goals . ! ( * 13 )
    Diego Armando Maradona til here ... Total = 15 matches ... 7 goals .+.. + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists === 1, 46 % Total = 22
    Zidane .... Final 24 matches ...... 4 goals .... 3 assists ans 7 pre-assists til here ! Total = 14
    Michel Platini Final 13 .... 13 matches ..... 9 goals ..... 3 assists .... 2 pre-assists til here ! = Total = 14
    Le grand Alfredo Di Stefano 16 matches ..... 11 goals .... 5 assists ... 2 pre-assists Total = 18
    without the Copa San Martin de Torres Tours Final in 1980 ..... 14 matches ...... 3 goals + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists = 1, 28, 05 % ! Diego Maradona . Total = 18
    without the SuperCup Mundialito 1983 vs Flamengo .... ...... 12 matches .... 8 goals ... 3 assists ..... 2 pre-assists too ! so amazing at all .. Michel Platini this is my real idol with Gullit too and Edson Arantes Pelé .. Johan Cruyff .. Ferenc Puskas . Total = 13


    Diego Armando Maradona average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 28, 05 %
    Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 00 %
    Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 %
    Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 47 , 30%
    Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 44, 44 %
    Zine.. Zidane .... average of participation to the team ================== 0. 58, 33 %
    Michel Platini average of participation to the team =============== 1. 08, 33 %
    Don Di Stefano Le grand average of participation to the team =============== 1. 13 , 33 %

    .......... per Finals disputed for both players !



    CURRENT RANKING LIST ! Updated again .


    1. Diego Maradona == 1, 28 %
    2. Alfredo Di Stefano == 1, 13 %
    3. Michel Platini == 1. 08 %
    4 . Ruud Gullit == 1 , 00 %
    5. Zinedine Zidane == 0 . 58 %
    6. Dennis Bergkamp == 0.47 % ( 1* penalty suffered against Torino Uefa Cup Final)
    7. Ronaldinho Gaucho == 0 . 44 % (1 * + 0. 48 % not defined * )
    8. Michael Laudrup == 0. 37 %
     
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  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    ...........Til Here ! Right Now !

    Ranking Rate = Goals + Assists + Pre-Assists (type 1, type 2 ) + Penalties Suffered ( as a Key Plays . ) .........................

    Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals .....+ 4 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 11
    Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... + 3 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 6
    Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... + 3 assists and + 4 pre-assists aswell ! + 1 penalty suffered Total = 9
    Ronaldinho Gaucho 27 matches ..... 6 goals .... + 5 assists and .... + 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre french cup final in 2003 ) Total = 12 participations in goals . ! ( * 13 )
    Diego Armando Maradona til here ... Total = 15 matches ... 7 goals .+.. + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists === 1, 46 % Total = 22
    Zidane .... Final 24 matches ...... 4 goals .... 3 assists ans 7 pre-assists til here ! Total = 14
    Michel Platini Final 13 .... 13 matches ..... 9 goals ..... 3 assists .... 2 pre-assists til here ! = Total = 14
    Le grand Alfredo Di Stefano 16 matches ..... 11 goals .... 6 assists ... 2 pre-assists Total = 19
    without the Copa San Martin de Torres Tours Final in 1980 ..... 14 matches ...... 3 goals + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists = 1, 28, 05 % ! Diego Maradona . Total = 18
    without the SuperCup Mundialito 1983 vs Flamengo .... ...... 12 matches .... 8 goals ... 3 assists ..... 2 pre-assists too ! so amazing at all .. Michel Platini this is my real idol with Gullit too and Edson Arantes Pelé .. Johan Cruyff .. Ferenc Puskas . Total = 13


    Diego Armando Maradona average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 28, 05 %
    Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 00 %
    Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 %
    Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 47 , 30%
    Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 44, 44 %
    Zine.. Zidane .... average of participation to the team ================== 0. 58, 33 %
    Michel Platini average of participation to the team =============== 1. 08, 33 %
    Don Di Stefano Le grand average of participation to the team =============== 1. 18 , 75 %

    .......... per Finals disputed for both players !



    CURRENT RANKING LIST ! Updated again .


    1. Diego Maradona == 1, 28 %
    2. Alfredo Di Stefano == 1, 18 %
    3. Michel Platini == 1. 08 %
    4 . Ruud Gullit == 1 , 00 %
    5. Zinedine Zidane == 0 . 58 %
    6. Dennis Bergkamp == 0.47 % ( 1* penalty suffered against Torino Uefa Cup Final)
    7. Ronaldinho Gaucho == 0 . 44 % (1 * + 0. 48 % not defined * )
    8. Michael Laudrup == 0. 37 %
     
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  18. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Johan Cruyff Final 2 ... 2 matches 1 goal .... 1 assist ( indirect assist ) til here !
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    ............ yes ...
    you will always be welcome here my friend... The criteria... are

    speaking clearly.. for you my friend... Goals + assists (indirect assists and direct assists) + pre-assists (type 1, type 2, direct pre-assists til the fourth last touch in the construction of the Goal plays)


    + Key plays for example .. penalties suffered with touches on the ball ... or dribbling skills ......only dug penalties are not valid .



    ... I guess that C.Ronaldo has 20 goals in the finals ????
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    All of types !
     
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  22. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Any dribbles even ones that lead to nothing?
     
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  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    not.................................only type of Dennis Bergkamp against Torino Uefa Cup Final penalty suffered or was a key plays there . Is valid .








    go to 1:42: 45 at video !
     

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