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Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Lol... The context is... we didn't really want to do it so we didn't make it happen?

    Yeah, I get the context.
     
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  2. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be exactly like the USSF "leadership" to double down on blowing up WC 26 just after seeing the spectacular blow up of Copa America 24. If they have no idea what that sort of pyrotechnics would do to the finances of the USSF, then they deserve all the burn that would ensue.
     
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  3. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is perhaps the case that you have bad thought which ignores both evidence & context.
     
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  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think if we lose on Monday and Berhalter isn’t immediately fired you shouldn’t take that as a sign that it’s not going to happen.

    I think as McBride said you’re always talking to agents all the time and gauging what’s out there. And someone like Crocker with his experience, has a large rolodex upon which to call upon.
     
  5. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude, I ain’t kicking the cat or beating the dog, heck my wife wouldn’t even know that I’m bothered at all about this as I sit next to her and rub her feet; at the same time, it just seems odd to me that there are a select few on here, and maybe you are one of them, who are simply okay with mediocrity and underperforming results.
     
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  6. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #7631 EruditeHobo, Jun 28, 2024 at 8:43 PM
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    Well your posting does not paint the picture of someone that is unbothered.

    And the false dichotomies don't make your points any better, because no one has to be "okay with mediocrity" to strongly disagree with your wild, sweepingly negative takes on an admittedly bad loss.
     
  7. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Passion is part of sports. For me, that’s more so with National team events versus professional sports.

    If you look at some of our posting histories, we are consistently pretty rational, calm and fair-minded.

    But we have limits. And I think some of us have reached a point of no return with Gregg. If it comes off as irrational, so be it.
     
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  8. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol... ok well there's passion, and then there's this nonsense.
     
  9. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One man’s passion will no doubt manifest as nonsense to others. That’s fine. And it probably makes sense the world works that way.

    Maybe a better word is conviction.
     
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  10. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #7635 EruditeHobo, Jun 28, 2024 at 9:15 PM
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    It's not. Saying a tough loss is this team's "ceiling" due to the manager despite a star player punching an opponent and being sent off, claiming people are okay with mediocrity because we aren't throwing a fit and saying sack the manager now, repeatedly calling out people for "personal attacks" but then turning around almost immediately and calling someone "Mrs. Berhalter" and asking "how much are they paying you"... This is not merely conviction.

    I think "nonsense" is a really nice and pretty charitable way of categorizing it, actually!
     
  11. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the “Mrs. Berhalter” comment is actually kind of funny. I didn’t see that in the thread, but I’ll go back to find it for a chuckle.

    And look, we all have our moments. I think several traditionally calm and fair-minded posters were majorly triggered. Calm will prevail for most (not all) of us.
     
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  12. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    Bora has managed 4 different (at best 2nd tier) national teams to the second round of the world cup, (in 5 attempts) picking up victories over Scotland, Switzerland, Spain, Bulgaria (twice), Colombia, Belgium, and Iraq. (only 1 minnow in that list)---- 8 WC wins, 80% advancement out of group rate.

    WC victories of all of our other coaches combined with, at best a 2nd tier team (US), in 7 attempts: Portugal, Mexico, Algeria, Ghana, Iran ---- 5 WC wins, 57% advancement out of group rate.

    Bora sets the standard for a NT coach for doing more with less. That is not what we need now, we need somebody who can do well with more. But Bora deserves respect.
     
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  13. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    After a slow start, the tournament has gotten going.
     
  14. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
  15. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it persistent, though? I can think of 3 reds given to us by Ivan Barton, and the Dest one, and maybe 2 second yellows.
     
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  16. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am of the opinion that a loss vs Uruguay should result in the dismissal of Greg Berhalter, but a win or draw and he continues the journey regardless of whether we advance or not.
     
  17. PortiereNuovo

    PortiereNuovo Member

    Jun 20, 2019
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  18. DrunkOffPunch

    DrunkOffPunch Member

    United States
    Jul 14, 2020
    Personally, I hope Uruguay don’t sit their starters. Feet to the fire. Either Berhalter proves he deserves the job or he doesn’t. Frankly, I’m kind of tired of this skating by doing just enough.
     
  19. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    They really can't. A bad loss could mean not advancing.
     
  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    My prediction is Uruguay does rest a couple of stars, the US comes out determined and motivated..........................and wins the game 2-0.

    Doesn't advance in Copa America but does save Berhalter's job.

    We've been here before with Berhalter. The whole board says: "if the USMNT performs badly in this game, then he's gone." And then the result comes to save the day.
     
  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He's not going anywhere.

    The USSF is known for its parsimony. We never change horses mid-race, unless qualification were at risk and it's not.
     
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  22. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    But we have changed horses mid-race. Both Bradley and Klinsmann were dismissed.

    And while WCQing isn't at risk, we better believe it's even more important NOW with a home World Cup on the horizon.

    If there's a feeling that a change is needed, now would be the time.

    But as I've said, I expect the USMNT to now play well against Uruguay. This will be a moot point.
     
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  23. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
    I can't say I have any particular insight into how the powers that be will make such decisions, but I don't see how he continues if the US doesn't make the quarters.
     
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  24. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    32 teams make it out of group stage,so that's not a problem.But we won't have Mexico in the first knockout round.
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Renard has also never gotten out of the group at a World Cup in two tries. And he didn’t have great teams either time but isn’t the idea that we need a coach who can do more with less?
     

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