Euro 2024: Italy vs Switzerland

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by TorontoCalabria, Jun 24, 2024.

  1. Vieri's Left Foot

    Roma
    Italy
    Jun 8, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    This team is winning four-straight interntional titles, minimum, and I'm not even counting the Nations League titles.
     
  2. Pambiero

    Pambiero Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Mar 21, 2021
    If we manage to beat Swiss we play against the winner of England versus D3 or E3. Does anyone know how will the opponent of Englang be decided?
     
  3. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Austria ?
     
  4. Pambiero

    Pambiero Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Mar 21, 2021
    I don’t understand who decides if they will play against D3 or E3
     
  5. joe83

    joe83 Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    The four best third place teams table which helps determine the Round of 16. Hope this helps.
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  6. joe83

    joe83 Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Currently, the best third place teams is ACDE. If this stays the same, then you can use the table I posted and it says that winner of C plays D3. So England would play Netherlands.
     
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  7. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    To me it's 50/50.

    Looking at their Roster I wouldn't trade a single Italy y player for theirs. As much as Dimarco is playing like ass, I wouldn't swap him out for Ricardo Rodriguez. Say nothing of Barella for Remo Frueler. Embolo has speed to kill and I'd love some of that pace on Italy, but Scamacca has a better skill set. Whether or not he breaks his duck and gets going remains to be seen. Not hating on the Swiss either. Should they advance, I hope they win it all.

    There is no way I'm gonna get carried away thinking this is an automatic win.
     
  8. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We could be better on the paper, but the Swiss are better on the field right now. They have no reason to fear us given our current form.
     
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  9. Alex101

    Alex101 Member

    Mar 15, 2017
    So far only Germany, Portugal, Spain, Austria look good. England and France have just been as bad as Italy. I get the feeling some players like Dimarco are tired and don't care.
     
  10. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It could be he’s tired. More likely that he is playing hurt. I really doubt he doesn’t care
     
  11. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    To play in an advanced midfielder role, which is his natural position.
     
  12. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    We're in agreement there. Jorginho looks like he plays in slow motion. I'm all for another guy. I just don't think I would elect Fagioli.
     
  13. Vieri's Left Foot

    Roma
    Italy
    Jun 8, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Who else on the roster would you suggest?
     
  14. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    No idea. I think that's why it was a mistake for him to take Fagioli and leave Locatelli at home. Even where many of us agree Fagioli has better upside, he didn't play at all this season, and also not a regista. At least Locatelli played, even if we can agree he was mediocre.

    The guy should be Tonali moving forward. Unfortunately, he has the same betting issues that got Fagioli in trouble.

    That's why IMHO I would stick with Jorginho despite his flaws.
     
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  15. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    It would be Flororunsho.

    Maybe doesn't have the passing of Jorginho but he is more physical and quicker.
     
  16. thorus

    thorus Member

    Feb 28, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    The Swiss have a solid team. Well organized, disciplined, and hardly ever beat themselves.
     
  17. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    #67 TorontoCalabria, Jun 26, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2024
    Yeah the on paper stuff becomes very irrelevant very quickly. This is the kind of soccer math England fans try to do every year only to find it has almost no barring on reality. We know by how they play and how we can play that we will have more time on the ball than we did against Spain and Croatia so this is a positive. We won't suffer in this same way and Spalletti will be more comfortable having the more technical team for the forts time sine the Albania game.

    Can we score 2 goals? Yeah I think it's possible can we score 3? No. Will we score at least 1 I think so yes. Can we put up a 0 yes it's possible. Can they put 2 past us? No I don't think so can they score 1 Yes for sure also the possibility of a penalty or error from our defence as we saw on the Modric goal.
    If you were betting 1-0 for Italy or 1-1 and penalties is not a bad shout.

    Sommer of course is a great in shootouts and a players like Freuler Xhaka Akanji even Schar would be highly rated by us if they were Italian beyond that very serviceable players but not an individual game breaker. Certainly enough to knock out Italy even a second team if they play really well. Not enough to win the tournament but that is not their objective.
     
  18. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    My 5 PK Takers (assuming on Pitch)

    - Scamacca.
    - Retegui.
    - Pellegrini.
    - Jack Jr.
    - Chiesa.

    If not on as these players are, then:
    - Fagioli.
    - Zaccagni.

    Normally I want a CB to power thorough one in the mold of Matrix or Bonucci but not sure with these current crop.
     
  19. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Imagine:

    Donnarumma
    Darmian Buongiorno Bastoni Cambiaso
    Barella Jorginho Fagioli
    Chiesa Scamacca Jack
     
  20. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    this works as Darmian can stay back and Cambiaso can go forward. i was looking at 2021 again and maybe the 433 is the way forward. Can even play Cambiaso on the right and Califiori as left back that goes inverted. 433 is simple it is balanced and it's a middle ground between 532 and 4231.

    I would maybe try Pellegrini/Zacagni on the RW instead of Jack and have Jack as the sub for Scamacca because for me Retegiui never touches the field.
     
  21. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It doesn’t matter what formation you use, 3-5-2, 4-3-3 etc. if you’re going to use a regista, the player needs to be able to turnover the ball quickly. Jorginho doesn’t have that speed anymore. If every team is Albania and they give you the time, then he’s ok. Or else Jorginho is so limited in everything else he does that it ends up being a detriment. At the very minimum, Jorginho should be able to protect the ball, but he can’t even do that.

    Another thing is that with him on the field it’s not a secret to how we want to play. Hold possession, create short passing plays and then try to play in one of the forward players to unlock the defence. The problem is that everyone else is playing like shit. (This is why not all the problems can be pinned on Jorginho but I think it starts there.) It makes us very predictable.
     
  22. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We would be letting in goals left and right
     
  23. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    It's tricky it's maybe one tournament too far but we will see. Spain Croatia were the two best midfields in the tournament by far. If we can imagine we will have more time on the ball against Swiss and potentially England Austria/Netherlands hypothetically then he could have one more tournament in him. If we then meet Spain in the finals then we are in trouble. Outside them I am not confident but cautiously optimistic Jorginho can do better against well first Swiss.

    I want to see Fagioli Jorginho Barella playing together. I do think a two man midfield is suicide with Jorginho and it forces Barella to come far too deep. So maybe a third can solve it. Playing with a 10 like Pellegrini is a luxury we can't afford.
     
  24. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    you think?

    I think if one of the fullbacks stays back for a back 3 when attacking it would be fine it's not like Jorginho Verratii Barrella offered up much protection in 2021 with Spinazola bombing forward.
     
  25. nunzio23

    nunzio23 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 16, 2021
    I think Jorginho is absolutely finished with Italy once these Euros are over but there is still a role for him in this team because no Tonali, Verrati, and Locatelli, and Spaletti's choices left something to be desired technically. This is why Fagioli needs to be inserted and pronto...he's young and can ball win in the midfield, is physical and can unlock a pass downfield unlike Jorgi at this stage. The Jorgi / Fagioli double pivot looked good in the pre Euro match with Bosnia
     

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