Yes, it is absolutely unreasonable. You've just proved it by having to count yellow cards and every second of delay. They tried to add accurate amount of time in wc22 which resulted in ridiculous amount of added time every game and broadcasters didnt like that. Guidelines for this Euro are not the same as 2 For 22 world cup, evident by a modest additional time overall in the tournament. Actual time that ball was out of play is never added as such. It is usually few minutes short (not counting yellow cards. I dont know where you got that from). Look at it this way: this was a pretty normal game. VAR checks are regular in todays game, injuries and doctor intervations happen every other game as well as all substitutions, but how often do you see 8 minutes added time?
This game is a good example for why Koeman is probably not a good manager (as well as a poor staff; certainly worse than Van Gaal had in 2014 and 2022 - staff is about twice as small as the one of France or Germany). Bad player selection, bad formation and bad tactics. Van Dijk yelled at Geertruida at the first own goal... very poor positional sense. While you also have top level defenders on the bench. Frimpong not used... the one with pace and skill. That said, the lack of a number nine is something he cannot influence. Depay 2024 is not the one of 2017-2022. Two own goals, great!
And that is not the worst part. The worst part is that literally he blew a final whitsle with still 40 seconds of his added time left to play.
WTF, what training did the Austrians have? Our team can no longer run any more. Austria their energy and fitness also very visible against France. edit: the difference is basically better finishing and two own goals. France their defense was there not totally solid either.
Well, it is called "Stoppage time" for a reason. I didn't actually include all the possible stoppages (taking time to put in set pieces, throw in, goal kicks) because doing that, while would still be within the rules, is unreasonable. All I am saying is that even being somewhat generous and just looking at bookings, substitutions and VAR checks, it exceeds the 8 minutes added, hence adding that much time while a bit abnormal especially within Euro 2024 tournament, is not ridiculous. Makkelie actually blew the whistle at 98:58 but I agree the match should have extended 40 seconds.
That is the best match of the tournament so far, wonderful classic between the Dutch and Austrians. Austria really put themselves in a good position in the last 16 (extra rest, weaker opponent from Group F runner up). Like I was saying before, putting some physicality and speed really troubles the Austrian defense. Weghorst addressed the physicality part but Netherlands should have had more speed to really trouble Austria, who had a bunch of players with bookings and suspension risks and the one defender that can defend (Danso) didn't play. Still think that Weghorst had that header over the bar not called a PK with Querfeld pulling his shirt.
Voetbal International grades: Bart Verbruggen 6 Lutsharel Geertruida 5,5 Stefan de Vrij 6 Virgil van Dijk 5,5 Nathan Aké 5 (65. Micky van de Ven) - Jerdy Schouten 5 Joey Veerman 4 (34. Xavi Simons) 6,5 Tijjani Reijnders 5 (65. Georginio Wijnaldum) - Donyell Malen 5 (71. Wout Weghorst) - Memphis Depay 6,5 Cody Gakpo 6 https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/oranje-op-rapport-veerman-zwaar-onvoldoende-weinig-lichtpuntjes I don't see how you can give the same grade to Geertruida and Van Dijk. Geertruida had a few poor touches and bad turnovers. Virgil yells at him at the first goal (Malen own goal) and also the third one. He defends the man at the edge of the penalty area and points out the runners behind, including Sabitzer. They don't listen or don't have the legs. De Vrij had an own goal... yet a higher grade. I am sure VvD was among the ones with the most progressive passes to midfield... to people like Reijnders on the run. We really want our top players to go down isn't it? Memphis a full point higher just because of a great goal? Hell no. Was VvD at fault for any of the goals? Some just like to chop him down, and there are a few more in that boat (FDJ). All is placed under scrutiny, really much more so than with other great defensive names of the past, or even contemporaries. Unfortunately the VAR didn't give us a PK. They would have done so with Italy, England or Germany perhaps.
Reminds me of Russia 2008 in the quarter finals. For some reason Russia then ran 1.5 km per player less vs Spain in the semis, despite enough rest, with 50% lower intensity. Back then they already tracked that stuff, by UEFA itself. The effort was suddenly not possible against the Angel Maria Villar boys? Like how Brazil in 2014 played dirty (50+ fouls in the Colombia vs Brazil game, a record) and suddenly stopped doing so, even with deference, when they met the first real superpower? The blue tongue of Arshavin (which really was just energy drink - no doubt about that) became legendary.
Talks now about a very irritated Koeman in the press conference and rumors, stinging questions, about him losing the dressing room.
Awful grades for Italy, despite qualifying: Croatia: Dominik Livaković 6,60 - Josip Stanišić 6,00, Josip Šutalo 6,30, Marin Pongračić 6,10, Joško Gvardiol 6,30, Luka Modrić 6,40 (80' Lovro Majer), Mateo Kovačić 6,00 (70' Luka Ivanušec 6,00), Marcelo Brozović 5,70, Luka Sučić 6,10 (70' Ivan Perišić 6,00), Mario Pašalić 5,20 (46' Ante Budimir 6,10), Andrej Kramarić 5,70 (90' Josip Juranović). - coach: Zlatko Dalić 6,00. = average: 6,04. Italy: Gianluigi Donnarumma 7,60 - Matteo Darmian 5,30 (81' Mattia Zaccagni 7,40), Alessandro Bastoni 5,90, Riccardo Calafiori 6,90, Giovanni Di Lorenzo 5,20, Nicolò Barella 6,10, Jorginho 5,70 (81' Nicolò Fagioli), Lorenzo Pellegrini 5,40 (46' Davide Frattesi 4,90), Federico Dimarco 5,20 (57' Federico Chiesa 5,70), Mateo Retegui 5,70, Giacomo Raspadori 5,30 (75' Gianluca Scamacca 5,70). - coach: Luciano Spalletti 5,60. = average: 5,87.
Veerman really deserves a rating lower than the other midfielders, a full point lower I think. 29 contacts of the ball and 16 times lost posession. Subbed off after half an hour. De Vrij I appreciated a few years ago but is now just too slow and Rangnick allowed him as well as Geertruida the most time on the ball, with the more open passing lines. The other defenders had it less easy for the build-up. Geertruida missed positional sense at times so I'd give him the lowest of the lot. So once again not very logical ratings I'd say. The team actually did create three big chances in the first half, Austria zero, but second half the superior fitness showed itself. I am curious if that is also on display if they play, say, Spain in the semi final or that then mysteriously the superiority is gone. Memphis is a 5 for me. Gakpo 6.5, maybe 7. Malen actually beat his man a few times but then the cross or pass was often substandard... Knvb really needs to look in the mirror. The squads around 2000 had a broader outlook in terms of ethnicity and regions (not 5% of the population making up 60% of your squad and up to 80% of the playing minutes; not a situation where Holland with 30% of the population delivers 80% of the squad - 21 out of 26 players). Admittedly, around the Bosman ruling many academies closed.. maybe that brought things in motion. Sofascore has VvD as best defender of the team (half point above De Vrij), Reijnders best midfielder (Veerman lowest) and Gakpo highest attacker and the MOTM, including Austrian players. Not 100% certain about that MOTM thing but otherwise it is correct imho.
Netherlands 2-3 Austria: Superb Marcel Sabitzer strike seals top spot for Austria after five-goal thriller - TNT Sports Netherlands: Verbruggen 5; Geertruida 6, De Vrij 5, Van Dijk 6, Ake 6; Schouten 6, Veerman 6; Malen 4, Reijnders 6, Gakpo 7; Depay 8. Subs: Simons 7, van de Ven 6, Wijnaldum 6, Weghorst 7. Austria: Pentz 7; Posch 7, Lienhart 8, Wober 7, Prass 8; Seiwald 7, Grillitsch 7; Schmid 9*, Sabitzer 8*, Wimmer 7; Arnautovic 7. Subs: Baumgartner 8, Laimer 6, Querfeld 6, Gregoritsch 6. Weimann. France 1-1 Poland: Kylian Mbappe and Robert Lewandowski exchange penalties as Les Bleus fail to top Euro 2024 group - TNT Sports France: Maignan 6, Kounde 6, Upamecano 6, Saliba 7, Hernandez 6, Kante 6, Tchouameni 6, Rabiot 6, Dembele 6, Mbappe 8, Barcola 7. Subs: Fofana 6, Camavinga 6, Griezmann 6, Giroud 6, Kolo Muani 6 Poland: Skorupski 8, Bednarek 7, Dawidowicz 7, Kiwior 7, Frankowski 6, Syzmanski 7, Zielinski 7, Moder 7, Zalewski 7, Urbanski 7, Lewandowski 8. Subs: Skoras 6, Swiderski 7 England 0-0 Slovenia: England top Euro 2024 group but fail to score in uninspiring draw, Slovenia into knockouts - TNT Sports England: Pickford 6, Walker 5, Stones 6, Guehi 6, Trippier 5, Rice 5, Gallagher 4, Saka 4, Bellingham 4, Foden 7, Kane 5. Subs: Mainoo 7, Palmer 6, Alexander-Arnold n/a, Gordon n/a. Slovenia: Oblak 7, Karnicnik 7, Drkusic 6, Bijol 7, Janza 7, Stojanovic 6, Cerin 6, Elsnik 5, Mlakar 5, Sporar 6, Sesko 6. Subs: Ilicic 5, Celar n/a, Stankovic n/a, Balkovec Denmark 0-0 Serbia: Danes progress to last 16 of Euro 2024 after goalless draw in Munich, Serbia out - TNT Sports Denmark: Schmeichel 6, Andersen 7, Christensen 6, Vestergaard 6, Bah 6, Hjulmand 6, Hojbjerg 5, Maehle 7, Eriksen 7, Wind 5, Hojlund 6. Subs: Skov Olsen 6, Dolberg 6, Kristiansen 6, Delaney 6, Poulsen 6. Serbia: Rajkovic 6, Veljkovic 6, Milenkovic 7, Pavlovic 7, Mijailovic 6, Ilic 6, Gudelj 5, Zivkovic 6, Smardzic 6, Mitrovic 5, Lukic 6. Subs: Tadic 7, Jovic 6, Vlahovic 6, Mladenovic 6, Milinkovic-Savic 5 For the games I saw the majority of my entertainment ratings would probably be 7 for Austria vs Netherlands, and I think 6.5 for England vs Slovenia which I think to be fair was a pretty decent game for a 0-0 and Slovenia are actually a very decent football team I think, competent and even slick in possession when they do go forwards as well as organised and disciplined in defence. Not having watched very much of France vs Poland means I didn't really have any chance to consider if I could be bringing Zalewski in for Hernandez for my Group Stage XI (albeit with Zalewski more a wing-back) for example: Sofascore's ratings perhaps suggests I wouldn't have been doing anyway but hard to know if that's right I guess (and with TNT Zalewski did receive the higher rating although it was part of a pattern of them giving good grades to Poland players in that game). Maehle played as left-wing back for the full Denmark-Serbia game, and is another with a higher TNT Sports grade than Sofascore grade I see (Sofascore having him down for both a big chance created and an error that led to a shot): if I was to place him in the XI for Hernandez at the last minute I'd have needed to watch that game and been particularly impressed with his display I guess anyway, so Hernandez is probably staying in my XI for now, but mostly because of his first game vs Austria.... I was also feeling like Karnicnik could be getting in my XI as RB at the end of England vs Slovenia (Kimmich had been another German player with a less impressive final group stage game I felt, although I did think he played particularly well in the 2nd game), even though his Sofascore rating is also below 7 vs England I see (so his media rating at least with TNT Sports is higher). On that Sofascore grade below 7 note, I see that applies to Cole Palmer too interestingly (only playing 19 minutes perhaps being consequential there though I suppose) - they don't seem to mark him down for a big chance missed either (which I think is right - at first viewing anyway I thought it was more a 'chance to score a wonder goal' than a big chance in reality even if it was a rare good opening England had and his actual attempt to score was never going to go in unless Oblak made a major error I suppose) - maybe that indicates lacking some aspect in their system that takes account of nuances outside of verified 'dribbles' in terms of being able to make some defence-disorientating passes after some surprising piece of skill or body movement for example. In terms of my idea for England's line-up I feel like he's worth a go from the start now anyway as the right winger, and I'm still not against trying Mainoo and Wharton together in the midfield probably in theory, even if that would be a big call in a knockout game, and not one I think Southgate will be making (at least from the start).
Best averages of the second day of the first phase with all sources updated: Mejores promedios de la segunda jornada de la primera fase con todas las fuentes actualizadas: 1.- De Bruyne: 8.31 2.- Mamardashvili: 8.27 3.- Donnarumma: 8.06 4.- Nico Williams: 8.04 5.- Fabian Ruiz: 8.04 6.- Cucurella: 8.04 7.- Gundogan: 7.95 8.- Bernardo Silva: 7,89 9.- Musiala: 7.88 10.- Baungartner: 7,72 Best cumulative averages from the first two rounds of the first phase with all sources updated (minimum 120 minutes): Mejores promedios acumulados de las dos primeras jornadas de la primera fase con todas las fuentes actualizadas (mínimo 120 minutos): 1.- Fabián Ruiz: 8.23 2 - Musiala: 8.17 3 - Lamine Yamal: 7.68 4 - Gundogan: 7.67 5 - Cucurella: 7.62 6 - Mamardashvilli: 7.46 7 - Eriksen: 7.36 8 - De Bruyne: 7.35 9 - Kanté: 7.32 10 - Kroos: 7.32 11 - Donnarumma: 7.28 12 - Lobotka: 7.21 13 - Bernardo Silva: 7.20 14 - Carvajal: 7.19 15 - Kimmich: 7.15 16 - Maignan: 7.14 17 - Schranz: 7.12 18. - Nico Williams: 7.11 19.- Bruno Fernandes: 7.11 20 - Nita: 7.09 21 - Xhaka: 7.09 22 - Pepe: 7.08 23 - Man: 7.06 24 - Haraslin: 7.06 25 - Vitinha: 7.06
The best watched talkshow in the land (although not everyone takes it seriously; 70% of the viewers do not, they watch it for entertainment) "Mister Van Dijk walks the whole match around like Beckenbauer." Sigh...
I don't mean to be a Modric hater because I love him as a player - one of the best CMs ever - but once again at another major tournament I believe he gets an award based on reputation and narrative rather than performance (I felt he didn't merit the Bronze Ball in 2022). I just don't see a MOTM performance against Italy. SofaScore have 5 players rated higher than him in the match, and WhoScored have 4. Right before his goal, Modric was the worst rated Croatian on the pitch (but to be fair, the missed PK influenced that a bit - he did however, miss a crucial PK before making amends the in the most unlikely of ways). He was subbed off after about an hour. Anyways, am I way off about this, or do others feel similar?
Modrić is one of the worst, superstar penalty takers in history of game. He is bad and he should have no business taking on that respinsibility. Albeit, the penalty against Italy was decent and Donnarruma produced a brilliant save. The point stands tho. Yup. He received the award for reputation and the goal. He also still plays because of reputation. He is one of those who will retire way too late and damage his reputation a bit. Unlike Zidane or Kroos who I reckon will create a lot of what ifs in near future. In 2, 3 years, what if he didn't retire, he would still be the best midfielder in the world and that sort of thing. Also it leaves a great last impression, which comes in handy in creating a reputation.
Haha, we finish third in the group, get rewarded with a game vs Romania and (if Koeman does his job well, Austria cannot run so many meters) there is a huge possibility for reaching the semi finals. Can we go back to "only the first two progress?"
Ukraine 0-0 Belgium: Stalemate sees Belgians squeeze through in second and Ukraine go out as all four teams finish level - TNT Sports Ukraine: Trubin 7, Svatok 7, Yaremchuk 7, Dovbyk 7, Zabarnyi 8, Sudakov 8, Mykolenko 7, Brazhko 7, Shaparenko 7, Matviyenko 7, Tymchyk 7 Subs: Yarmolenko 6, Zinchenko 6, Stepanenko 6, Vanat 6, Malinovskyi 6 Belgium: Casteels 7, Theate 7, Faes 7, Vertonghen 6, De Bruyne 7, Tielemans 7, Trossard 6, Lukaku 6, Castagne 7, Doku 6, Onana 6 Subs: Mangala 6, Openda 6, Bakayoko 6, Carrasco 6 Slovakia 1-1 Romania: Both teams advance to Euro 2024 knockout round after battling draw in Frankfurt - TNT Sports Slovakia: Dubravka 7, Pekarik 8, Skriniar 7, Hancko 6, Vavro 7, Haraslin 6, Duda 8, Strelec 6, Kucka 6, Lobotka 7, Schranz 5, Gyomber 5, Suslov 5, Bozenik 5, Duris 5, Bero 5. Romania: Nita 7, Ratiu 9, Dragusin 7, M Marin 7, Hagi 6, Bancu 5, Burca 5, Coman 5, R Marin 6, Dragus 6, Stanciu 6, Rus 5, Puscas 5, Man 6, Sorescu 5. Georgia 2-0 Portugal: Debutants produce biggest shock of Euro 2024 to reach last 16 with stunning victory - TNT Sports Georgia: Mamardashvili 8, Gvelesiani 8, Kashia 8, Dvali 7, Lochoshvili 7, Chakvetadze 8, Kochorashvili 7, Kiteishvili 6, Kakabdaze 7, Mikautadze 8, Kvaratskhelia 9*. Subs: Tsitaishvili 6, Kvirkvelia 5, Mekvabishvili 5, Davitashvili 6. Portugal: Costa 5, Pereira 6, Silva 4, Inacio 5, Dalot 6, Palhinha 7, Neves 6, Neto 5, Conceicao 6, Felix 6, Ronaldo 5. Subs: Neves 4, Ramos 5, Semedo 5, Jota 6, Nunes 5. Czechia 1-2 Turkey: Hakan Calhanoglu and Cenk Tosun confirm last 16 place in fiery clash as 10-man Czechs head home - TNT Sports TURKEY: Günok 5, Muldur 7, Demiral 7, Akaydin 7, Kadioglu 7, Yuksek 7, Calhanoglu 8*, Ozcan 6, Güler 7, Yildiz 7, Yilmaz 7. Subs: Ayhan 6, Yokuslu 6, Tosun 7, Aktürkoglu 6, Kokcu n/a. CZECH REPUBLIC: Stanek 7, Holes 7, Hranac 7, Krejci 7, Coufal 7, Soucek 8, Provod 7, D. Jurasek 7, Barak 4, Hlozek 6, Chytil 6. Subs: Kuchta 6, Kovar 6, Chory 6, Lingr 6, M. Jurasek n/a. I'd say there wasn't quite enough all in all to persuade me to go with an entertainment rating above 6 for Belgium vs Ukraine, and later on I decided to mainly watch Turkey vs Czech Republic and I think I'd go with a 6 for that one too.
For my attempt at a rolling tournament XI i.e a Group Stage XI I've settled on this, with approximate tournament ratings in bold in brackets, using increments of 0.25 this time (the other numbers in brackets, like in my previous post, being the Sofascore average rating and TNT Sports average rating for the players so far): Casteels (Belgium, 7.25, 7.5, 6.67); Karnicnik (Slovenia, 7, 7.1, 7.67), Schar (Switzerland, 6.75, 7, 6.33), Akanji (Switzerland, 7, 6.93, 7), Hernandez (France, 6.75, 7.37, 6.33); Kante (France, 8.25, 7.5, 7), Fabian Ruiz (Spain, 7.5, 8.6, 7 :*from 2 games); Musiala (Germany, 7.75, 7.67, 7.33), De Bruyne (Belgium, 7.5, 8.07, 7), Gakpo (Netherlands, 7.25, 7.83, 6.67); Morata (Spain, 7, 7.17, 6.67)