Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. NorthBank

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    Mar 29, 2006
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    Wow. A no-look pass from Turkish defender to his keeper leads to an OG and probably seals 3pts for Portugal at 30’. SMH
     
  2. NorthBank

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    #38577 NorthBank, Jun 22, 2024
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    Yeah, that was a real turkey of a pass, don’t you think? Badum!
     
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  3. NorthBank

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    Exactly. He didn’t have the benefit if seeing video with his own eyes. And thus confirming whether or not to stick with his original decision.
     
  4. CarlosKaiser

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    Kansas City
    Did Taylor decide Dumfries was close enough? Or did the linesman tell him?

    I don't think the keeper gets to it regardless of where Dumfries stands. It's not 100% so I get letting the call stand, but a 2nd look wouldn't have hurt as long as the replay took.
     
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  5. DaPrince84

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    All on the up and up, I’m sure!

     
  6. yossarian

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    From what I've read, the AR flagged for the OSP but called Taylor over to say he couldn't tell how close the keeper was. Taylor made that part of the call.
     
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  7. Jamooky

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    Mar 24, 2006
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    Turkey's keeper has Joe Dirt facial hair.

    That is all.
     
  8. CarlosKaiser

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    Kansas City
    lol, not even trying to hide it, are they? but I'm sure it's 100% allowed by PL rules
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Belgium
    Did you see Ineos dude came out to say he supports City and financial regulation is stifling the league?

    LOL
     
  10. maskito

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    This entire Euros has had some crazy OGs. 7 so far, and we still have one round of group play to go.
     
  11. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
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    United States
    1-0 Belgium over Rumania at half. Belgium look much better, but damn they're finishing doesn't match their overload and dangerous pass creation.
     
  12. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Are these separate transactions or are they trades where teams can manipulate the book value of the players, a la Juventus a few years ago?
     
  13. CarlosKaiser

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    #38588 CarlosKaiser, Jun 22, 2024
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    Separate transactions but they can still inflate values, £19m for Kellyman who is valued at €1m on transfermarkt. Villa gets the full £19m profit this year for PSR while Chelsea only take a £3.8m loss. Chelsea get a £37.5m profit on Maatsen while Villa only take a £7.5m loss. So they both improve their PSR before the fiscal year ends.

    Not sure how PSR treats swaps but I'm guessing they are separate transactions for a reason.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Belgium
    #38589 The Jitty Slitter, Jun 23, 2024
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    This is why I actually agree with Ratcliffe/Ineos + City that these rules are a joke.

    Football has to face up to the need to have a salary cap, and not allow owners like Boehly, Abu Dhabi etc

    Once they did allow that, the horse is out of the stable, and no matter how many doors they nail shut, financial engineering with open new ones.

    Boehly - who spent 750m on transfers in a single year lol, is cheating on an unprecedented scale. But I think like doping, this is just what the EPL encourages.
     
  15. CarlosKaiser

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    Kansas City
    Elliot/YankeeGunner had some tweets about how salary cap manipulation is very common in the NFL but for some reason PSR manipulation seems much worse. I think there are 2 reasons.

    The dumbest aspect of PSR - by far - is that clubs only have to be in compliance on one day of the year and it comes in the middle of a transfer window where they can continue to spend all they want after July 1. The NFL requires teams to be under the cap at all times, how is this not the same in the PL?

    Similar to NFL contracts, Villa and Chelsea are making these moves at the expense of their future PSR health, the costs are spread out but will still hit their books. Chelsea in particular have already spent a huge amount of their future seasons' revenue. I assume Villa are planning on this season's CL money and Chelsea need to get back to the CL soon to save themselves. But that's another aspect where the NFL has revenue sharing and a salary cap to balance the playing field.

    I would caution that everyone wants more fairness and parity, but you risk turning the league into a series of coinflips where nothing is at stake. You need favorites and underdogs. In the NFL, QB is so much more important position than any other position which disrupts parity, otherwise every team would go 8-9 or 9-8. Scheduling is also deliberately unfair to deliver better TV ratings, at least the PL has it right in that regard.
     
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  16. thebigman

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    May 25, 2006
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    Salary cap does not work in a league system unfortunately

    just make it a percentage of prize money plus -% of revenue combined in some way so big clubs can still spend as they always have but with more control
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    Agreed - this is dumb and bad - because then you just do some financial cookery to 'comply', like what we see here, these are essentially fake deals, riding on the back of real transfers.

    Agreed. I think we see at clubs like Barca, you even end up with incentives to compromise future revs by selling them at discount, in order to inflate the books now and 'comply' - which is the opposite of what the rules are supposed to do. But I guess clubs feel there will always be some way to kick the can further down the road.

    While I agree to a point (rugby has had these issues big time), i think there is an overall issue with anti-competitive rules which bake in the league royalty.
     
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  18. CarlosKaiser

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    For sure, FFP/PSR entrenches the financial disparity for established clubs like United and only really (tries to) curb the new money.

    The NFL is comfortable with small markets like Green Bay, Buffalo or Kansas City succeeding at the expense of New York or Dallas (I read a good book called The League about the early days of the NFL and how they struggled against college football and major league baseball, realizing that having New York and Chicago dominate year after year was bad for business leaguewide). The PL isn't ready for small fanbase clubs like Bournemouth or Brentford having runs of sustained success in their <20,000 seat stadiums. But certainly more could be done to balance between the haves and the have nots.
     
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  19. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    As I understand it, spending as a percentage of revenue is what PSR already is. The trick is controlling the clubs that exceed those percentages by artificially inflating revenue.

    A hard cap would work for an individual league, where it falls apart is with players moving between multiple leagues
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    For me the problem always will be - what revenue is 'artificial'?

    Above market sponsorships from related parties to a vertically integrated platform?

    Noodle Partner FC?

    Inflated deal chain transfers?

    Selling off a percentage of future revenue to Private Equity?

    IMO only one is 'artificial'
     
  21. CarlosKaiser

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    The end on Hungary Scotland has been bananas
     
  22. maskito

    maskito Member+

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    Jan 14, 2006
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    United States
    Anyone catch the USA-BOL match today?

    even in a dominating win (against a mediocre team), not getting any vibes USMNT is ready to make a statement on the world stage. Too sloppy in possession and wasteful of good chances.
     
  23. CarlosKaiser

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    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Should have had 4 or 5, Bolivia were really bad, never bothered Turner. Nice finishing by Pulisic and Balogun on the 2 they did score but poor finishing overall, esp Pepi. Thought Musah looked good and deserves to start.
     
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  24. And_ROOS

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    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    The Balo gun was a low percentage shot that crept in though, not like you can rely on those sort of shots getting in the better keepers see it earlier.

    That said, its still early in the tourney, no point peaking in the group stages.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Belgium
    It's interesting the Ozil thing is happening with Kai Havertz for germany

    Because lots of fans like Füllkrug, and because they never watch Arsenal, they've decided this is more 'false 9' tomfoolery

    But of course Havertz was amazing for us as an actual 9 this year, and he is playing even more as an actual 9 for germany than he does for arse. I do agreed with what Scott says here that he really needs more shot volume, but on the other hand playing with Wirtz and Musiala - he really brings them into the game

     

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