I need to look a bit more closely at Leigh Richmond Roose's career path, and include Everton as a club for him in at least one year I think, but I'll make that adjustment when I do the full 1900s summary (after I get confirmation about Naubi's votes too and integrate those in the tallies) These are the current standings (before Naubi's votes) for 1907-1909 editions anyway.... 1907 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester United) - 28 2 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 18 3 Steve Bloomer (England/Middlesbrough) - 12 4 John 'Jock' Rutherford (England/Newcastle United) - 6 5 Colin Veitch (England/Newcastle United) - 4 6 Jimmy Quinn (Scotland/Celtic) - 3 7 Leigh Richmond Roose (Wales/Stoke City/Sunderland) - 2 1908 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester United) - 28 2 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 16 3 John 'Jock' Rutherford (England/Newcastle United) - 14 4 Vivian Woodward (England/Tottenham Hotspur) - 8 5 Charlie Roberts (England/Manchester United) - 4 6 Sophus Nielsen (Denmark/BK Frem) - 3 1909 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Meredith (Wales/Manchester United) - 26 2 Billy Wedlock (England/Bristol City) - 15 3 Vivian Woodward (England/Tottenham Hotspur) - 14 4 Bob Crompton (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 11 5 Bert Freeman (England/Everton), Jimmy Quinn (Scotland/Celtic) - 3 7 George Holley (England/Sunderland) - 1
I haven't forgotten to continue this by the way; if not today/this morning then probably tomorrow morning I will try to start on the 1890s standings.... I will still need to show the full summary for the 1900-1909 lists (all in one post) and am just waiting to see what votes might be added for Naubi there like I said....
For the 1890s I will incorporate votes from Gutigut from 1894 onwards (the first year there is a top 3, as opposed to just a single player, listed on the website at the moment) which is consistent with the 'rules' established for submitting votes I think (not less than 3 choices). But making a start with 1890 to 1893 now.... 1890 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Jimmy Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 22 2 Nick Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 18 3 Walter Arnott (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 12 4 Thomas Robertson (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 4 5 James Trainer (Wales/Preston North End) - 2 1891 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Edgar Chadwick (England/Everton) - 24 2 Jack Southworth (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 16 3 Nick Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 12 4 Alf Milward (England/Everton) - 4 5 Walter Arnott (Scotland/Queen's Park) - 2 1892 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 24 2 Hughie Wilson (Scotland/Sunderland) - 14 3 Sandy McMahon (Scotland/Celtic) - 13 4 John Campbell (Scotland/Sunderland)* - 5 5 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 2 * I have provisionally included John Campbell of Sunderland here (who also happens to be the choice of Gutigut for Player of the Year this year), but it's a little unclear if it should be him or John Campbell of Celtic getting points. @Tom Stevens will be able to clarify that, and I'll make sure to include the intended player when I do the full 1890s summary (if you can also confirm whether it's correct that the Sunderland John Campbell was in your 1st place for 1892/93 Tom that'd help there too - he is in 1st for Peter/Elegos that time though and I'm thinking probably he will be for you on that basis so I've assumed so for now) 1893 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 John Campbell (Scotland/Sunderland) - 24 2 Jimmy Ross (Scotland/Preston North End) - 15 3 Hughie Wilson (Scotland/Sunderland) - 13 4 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 4 5 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 2
....... you continues doing this ! Congratulations man ! by dedication and devotion for the sport.. ... you're the only person that pays Attention in the Whole World .. to this era in Football... so amazing at all ! ...........Til Here ! Right Now Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals .....+ 4 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 11 Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... + 3 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 6 Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... + 3 assists and + 4 pre-assists aswell ! Total = 8 Ronaldinho Gaucho 27 matches ..... 6 goals .... + 5 assists and .... + 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre french cup final in 2003 ) Total = 12 participations in goals . ! Diego Armando Maradona til here ... Total = 15 matches ... 7 goals .+.. + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists === 1, 46 % without the Copa San Martin de Torres Tours Final in 1980 ..... 14 matches ...... 3 goals + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists = 1, 28, 05 % ! Diego Armando Maradona average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 28, 05 % Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 00 % Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 % Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 42 , 03% Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 44, 44 % .......... per Finals disputed for both ! of them . ! Til Here ... Ranking List in the main Finals disputed : the next name to enter in this list will be Diego Armando Maradona . 1. Diego Maradona == 1, 28 % 2 . Ruud Gullit == 1 , 00 % 3. Ronaldinho Gaucho == 0 . 44 % ( 1 * ) 4. Dennis Bergkamp == 0.42 % 5. Michael Laudrup == 0. 37 % Honestly i was really impressed tonight with amount of assists and pre-assists by Diego Armando Maradona in the finals disputed for him ... honestly i don't knew it ! this is amazing at all ! the next one will be Zidane and Lotthar Matthaus in the finals . !
All credit to Peterhrt, Elegos7 and Tom Stevens mate really for the research into those older years - I'm just counting the votes up for IceBlood so he can summarise the results for all years (and I took quite a while to do it). Pele has very good stats for goal involvements in Finals he played in I think doesn't he (you know already I guess)?
.......... yes nice job man ! Congratulations again and again for you and your teammates too ! .... yes ... he ( Pelé ) and Messi are the leaders in this Ranking for sure ..... But ... i didn't yet on Pelé ... i'll do it ... sooner or later for sure ... Why ??? putting ...goals .... + assists + pre-assists really the result for sure still can change at all . But ... firstly ... i'll do it ... the profile of Zidane and Matthaus . ! later Van Basten and Ronaldo Nazario !
.........Til Here ! Right Now ! Ballon D'or players ( France Football ) Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals .....+ 4 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 11 Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... + 3 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 6 Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... + 3 assists and + 4 pre-assists aswell ! Total = 8 Ronaldinho Gaucho 27 matches ..... 6 goals .... + 5 assists and .... + 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre french cup final in 2003 ) Total = 12 participations in goals . ! Diego Armando Maradona til here ... Total = 15 matches ... 7 goals .+.. + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists === 1, 46 % Zidane .... Final 24 matches ...... 4 goals .... 3 assists ans 7 pre-assists til here ! without the Copa San Martin de Torres Tours Final in 1980 ..... 14 matches ...... 3 goals + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists = 1, 28, 05 % ! Diego Armando Maradona average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 28, 05 % Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 00 % Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 % Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 42 , 03% Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 44, 44 % Zine.. Zidane .... average of participation to the team ================== 0. 58, 33 % .......... per Finals disputed for both ! of them . ! CURRENT RANKING LIST ! 1. Diego Maradona == 1, 28 % 2 . Ruud Gullit == 1 , 00 % 3. Zinedine Zidane == 0 . 58 % 4. Ronaldinho Gaucho == 0 . 44 % (1 * auxerre french cup final ) 5. Dennis Bergkamp == 0.42 % 6. Michael Laudrup == 0. 37 %
.................. I wanted to propose something to you, my dear English friend. well I know you run this thread at the moment... We could make a Super Ballon D'or of all time " History " really. bringing together all players with gold, silver and bronze balls. or even the Top 5... and also placing the winners of the corrected Ballon d'Or... from FRance Football in 2016. ?????? Examples from this dear mate .... Le nouveau palmarès To coincide with the 60th anniversary of the Ballon d'Or in 2016, France Football published an internationalized reevaluation of the awards presented before 1995, when only European players were eligible to win the award.[7][57] 12 out of the 39 Ballons d'Or presented during this time period would have been awarded to South American players; in addition to Pelé—seven times—and Diego Maradona—twice—Garrincha, Mario Kempes, and Romário were retrospectively recognized as worthy winners.[57][60] The original recipients, however, remain unchanged.[3] Le nouveau palmarès (internationalized) ....... Ballon d'Or winners Year Rank Player Team Points Ballon d'Or (1956–2009) 1956 1st Stanley Matthews Blackpool 47 2nd Alfredo Di Stéfano[note 1] Real Madrid 44 3rd Raymond Kopa Real Madrid[note 2] 33
It's @IceBlood34 who really runs the thread mate to be honest, and it was his idea to start it, but you could ask him if he was interested in opening a new thread. I am not totally sure what you are proposing though: did you mean a Super Ballon d'Or similar to the France Football one in the late 80s (where every voter chooses a top 5 players of all-time)?
Competitors for the Maximum Football Prize Super Ballon D'or of all times : Pelé Maradona Romario Garrincha Mario Kempes Stanley Matthews Di Stefano Kopa Billy Wright Duncan Edwards Helmut Rahn Just Fontaine John Charles Luis Suarez Ferenc Puskas Uwe Seeler Omar Sivori Haynes Masopust Eusebio Karl Heinz Schnellinger Yashin Rivera Greaves Denis law Amancio Amaro Facchetti Sir Bobby Charlton Franz Beckenbauer Florian Albert Jimmy JohnStone George Best Dzajic Riva Gerd Muller Sir Bob Moore Johan Cruyff Sandro Mazzola Gunter Netzer Dino Zoff Deyna Blokhin Rensenbrink Viktor Simonsen Keegan Michel Platini Krankl Rummenigge Ruud Krol Schuster Paul Breitner Rossi Giresse Boniek Kenny King Dalglish Tigana Elkjaer Belanov Lineker Butragueno Ruud Gullit Paulo Futre Marco van Basten Rijkaard Baresi Lothar Matthaus Andreas Brehme toto Schillaci Papin Pancev Savicevic Stoichkov Dennis Bergkamp Roberto Baggio Eric Cantona Paolo Maldini George Weah Klinsmann Litmanem
will be better choosing ...on Top 20 Firstly in the Pre-List to mention more names ... But the Top 5 ... they just computed the points in reality ..... 1 .... 20 points 2... 15 points ... 3 ... 10 points .... 4 .... 5 points ...... 5 ..... 2. 5 !!!!
Sammer Ronaldo Nazario Shearer Mijatovic Zidane Suker Rivaldo Beckham Schvchenko Figo Owen Raul Kahn Roberto Carlos Nedved Henry Deco Ronaldinho Gaucho Lampard Gerrard
Cannavaro Buffon Kaka C.Ronaldo Messi Torres Xavi Iniesta Ribery Neuer Neymar Jr Griezmann Modric Van Dijk Lewa Jorginho Benzema Mané de Bruyne Haaland Mbappe
This link to @Gutigut 's choices doesn't seem to work now (yesterday it did have top 3 players from 1894) - if I'm to include votes for him for any 1890's years I'll need access to it again of course. Page not found – ArFootballHistory I'll leave the updating for today then (and maybe there's no big rush anyway if we're also trying to allow Titanlux to at least get his 1998/99 post completed before I've done the points for all of the early-years votes).
1893 Sandy McMahon 1892 John Campbell 1891 Edgar chadwick 1890 Nick Ross 1889 John Goodall 1888 Nick Ross 1887 Archie Hunter 1886 James Kelly 1885 Nevill Cobbold 1884 Walter Arnott 1883 Jack Hunter 1882 Andrew Wattson 1881 John Smith 1880 George Ker 1879 Arthur Kinnaird 1878 Arthur Kinnaird 1877 John Ferguson 1876 Billy MacKinnon 1875 Henry McNeil 1874 James Thomson 1873 Arthur Kinnaird 1872 Charles Alcock 1871 Charles Clegg 1870 Alfred Baker
Could you make it un-private (even temporarily) again for me mate please? I think we set the rules to be requiring 3 players per year at least if somebody was to be able to cast a valid vote for any particular year. But on that basis, based on what I saw on your website a couple of days ago, we could have included your votes for 1894 to 1899 Ballon d'Or Revisited editions at least.
this is my rankings for 2010's decade 2010: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Xavi (Barcelona & Spain) 3. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 4. Andres Iniesta (Barcelona & Spain) 5. Wesley Sneijder (Inter & Netherlands) HM: Forlan, Rooney, Milito, Robben, Casillas, Drogba 2011: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 3. Andres Iniesta (Barcelona & Spain) 4. Xavi (Barcelona & Spain) 5. Wayne Rooney (Manchester United & England) HM: Luis Suarez, Dani Alves, Neymar, Ozil, Van Persie 2012: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 3. Andrea Pirlo (Juventus & Italy) 4. Xavi (Barcelona & Spain) 5. Robin Van Persie (Arsenal & Netherlands) HM: Thiago Silva, David Silva, Ribery, Hazard, Rooney, Ibrahimovic 2013: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 3. Frank Ribery (Bayern Munich & France) 4. Gareth Bale (Tottenham Hotspur & Wales) 5. Philip Lahm (Bayern Munich & Germany) HM: Luis Suarez, Thomas Muller, Schweinsteiger, Neuer Vidal, Ibrahimovic, Cavani, Lewandowski 2014:* 1. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 2. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 3. Luis Suarez (Liverpool & Uruguay) 4. Diego Costa (Atletico Madrid & Spain) 5. Yaya Toure (Manchester City & Cote d'Ivoire) HM: Courtois, Neuer, Godin, Lahm, Gabi, Tevez, Ibrahimovic 2015: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 3. Neymar (Barcelona & Brazil) 4. Carlos Tevez (Juventus & Argentina) 5. Luis Suarez (Barcelona & Uruguay) HM: Robben, Hazard, De Bruyne, Alexis Sanchez, De Gea, Griezmann 2016: (imo, all of them can get the best player award in here. every one of them was crazy ass hell.) 1. Luis Suarez (Barcelona & Uruguay) 2. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina &) 3. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 4. Antoine Griezmann (Atletico Madrid & France) 5. Neymar (Barcelona & Brazil) HM: Busquets, Iniesta, Bonucci, Pogba, Neuer 2017: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) 2. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 3. Neymar (Barcelona & Brazil) 4. Toni Kroos (Real Madrid & Germany) 5. Luka Modric (Real Madrid & Croatia) HM: Alexis Sanchez, Griezmann, Marcelo, Lewandowski, Luis Suarez 2018: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Mohamed Salah (Liverpool & Egypt) 3. Neymar (PSG & Brazil) 4. Luka Modric (Real Madrid & Croatia) 5. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid & Portugal) HM: De Bruyne, De Gea, Busquets, Lewandowski, Greizmann 2019: 1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona & Argentina) 2. Virgil van Dijk (Liverpool & Netherlands) 3. Sadio Mane (Liverpool & Senegal) 4. Bernardo Silva (Manchester City & Portugal) 5. Raheem Sterling (Manchester City & England) HM: Alisson, Ziyech, Lewandowski, De Jong, C. Ronaldo
@IceBlood34 do you want to decide on whether this can be included or whether it will have to stand as a post-voting period take by an interested poster but not go towards the points tallies (I guess in effect we already tried to close the voting off several times lol, but on the other hand it'd have been a legitimate vote due to being for one full decade, it has a full 5 players voted for for each year and since your results list won't be finalised until I finish the early-years summaries and we get Titanlux's 1998/99 post probably too, possibly you could consider this vote acceptable at the 'last minute' too - the issue for you and me both in theory could be that it could invite further new votes when we are on the verge of finishing things though maybe?)?
Ok thanks, I'll include votes from you for 1894-1899 editions then (6 points for 1st place, 4 points for 2nd, 3 points for 3rd).
1894 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 John Reynolds (England/Aston Villa) - 30 2 Daniel Doyle (Scotland/Celtic) - 19 3 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 12 4 John Goodall (England/Derby County) - 7 5 Jimmy Hannah (Scotland/Sunderland) - 3 1895 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 John Campbell (Scotland/Sunderland) - 30 2 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 19 3 John Reynolds (England/Aston Villa) - 16 4 Jimmy Hannah (Scotland/Sunderland) - 4 5 Billy Bassett (England/West Bromwich Albion) - 2
1896 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Gilbert Oswald Smith (England/Corinthians/Oxford University) - 28 2 James Cowan (Scotland/Aston Villa) - 16 3 John Goodall (England/Derby County) - 15 4 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County) - 6 5 Neilly Gibson (Scotland/Rangers) - 4 6 Ned Doig (Scotland/Sunderland) - 2 1897 Ballon d'Or Revisited panel consensus 1 Ernest Needham (England/Sheffield United) - 24 2 Howard Spencer (England/Aston Villa) - 13 3 Charlie Aftersmith (England/Aston Villa) - 11 4 James Cowan (Scotland/Aston Villa) - 7 5 Jimmy Crabtree (England/Aston Villa) - 6 6 Steve Bloomer (England/Derby County), Fred Wheldon (England/Aston Villa) - 4 8 John Bell (Scotland/Everton) - 2
If the voting for the best football players of each year is over, can you design a photo or graphic of the best players from 1871 to 2023 in each year? Something I think IceBlood34 did once