Match 8 - AUT : FRA - GIL MANZANO (ESP)

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Match #8
    Austria : France
    Monday, June 17
    21:00 CET / 15:00 EDT
    Düsseldorf

    Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
    Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
    Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez (ESP)
    Fourth Official: Mykola Balakin (UKR)

    VAR: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
    AVAR1: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
    AVAR2: Tiago Bruno Lopes Martins (POR)
     
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  2. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    One of the more egregious wrong calls of a goal kick as opposed to corner by the referee that I’ve seen in some time (against Austria in the 36’)

    and of course France scores shortly thereafter (an own goal off Wöber)
     
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  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was really, really bad. One can only imagine Gil Manzano thought it came back off the attacker's body? Still, no real excuse. AR should have it and that's just a total lack of focus.

    "Shortly thereafter" doing a LOT of work. Possession changed at least twice and there were two stoppages (free kick for France + throw-in for Denmark) in between with over 2 minutes elapsing. I make zero excuses for Gil Manzano, per above. But implying it then led to a goal only works if you ascribe the butterfly effect to llterally everything in game.
     
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  4. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Definitely true - was more implying Austria feeling hard done from a missed corner and then an own goal within the next three minutes.
     
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  5. Foghlaeir

    Foghlaeir Member

    Jun 3, 2021
    Worst referee so far. Falls way too much for the French players' antics.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We could probably write an essay on 79' but in the end, goalkeeper's get the benefit of the doubt, huh?
     
  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do feel for the striker a bit on that 80' yellow on the gk. He plays the ball and mitigates significant contact with the studs on the keeper.
     
  8. AZOldRef

    AZOldRef Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Apr 5, 2021
    When I see the referee get in the way and hit by the ball in a Euro match (82nd), I don't feel so bad when it happens to me in a U13 match.
     
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  9. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    The commentators aren't fans of the YC to the Austrian attacker in the 80th. I'm not a fan of it either. It's certainly not a PK. And if you're going to stop play anyway for the injured players (as you should) I guess you might as well call a FK coming out instead of a drop ball to the keeper. But yellow at this level? I don't see it.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right, AND the goalkeeper's leg goes up and clatters him in the head--far more significantly than the other way around.

    I mean, on the merits if we're being fair and true to the Laws, this is probably a penalty. But we're never selling that and no one can really expect that.

    A foul and yellow card the other way is inherently unfair though, unless you just believe goalkeeper's going to ground always warrant complete protection.

    With the benefit of hindsight, I like a stoppage for injuries and dropped ball to the goalkeeper.
     
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  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    United States
    First dissent yellow at 84 or was that for the hand to the face?
     
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  12. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Hand to face I think.
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think based on how quickly it was out, it was for the hands to the face.
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a big surprise but I've never been a huge fan of Gil Manzano. Every game feels like a Portuguese league game in terms of foul and card selection.

    Maybe Taylor and Oliver deserve more credit for being able to flip the switch so easily.
     
  15. AZOldRef

    AZOldRef Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Apr 5, 2021
    Strange YC for Mbappe there ... why did he come back on the field? Not much choice but to give it. Weird.
     
  16. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Speaking of egregious, how about that move from Mbappe? Possible to do anything further there? Like a yellow to Deschampes or something? (That’s just my own wishful thinking and bias against France, I’m sure. Haha)
     
  17. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Good old fashioned time wasting
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mbappe pulling a move straight out of the local amateur league and daring an international elite referee to deal with appropriately. Which he did. All pretty funny.
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Deschamps was handled perfectly. You don't just want to go around tossing yellows willy-nilly. Deschamps was obviously trying to plead his case and weasel Mbappe out of the yellow, but even he had to concede how blatant it was. He didn't seem angry or combative about it and it allowed Gil Manzano to show management skills. So long as he accounts for that time lost, all is good.
     
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  20. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    So stupid on France's part.
    They were down a man. They wanted to stop the game so they could put a sub on.
    So they sent Mbappe out there to sit down. He entered without permission.
    France had to know a card was coming.
    France should have had someone who will not see time walk on the pitch and take the caution.
    Now Mbappe is at risk for cumulative suspension.
    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    EDIT: or even have an assistant walk onto the pitch.
     
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  21. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    This is the innovative thinking the EUROs are lacking. I’m sure once Copa America starts next week they’ll show us how it’s done!
     
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  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's no shithousery like CONCACAF shithousery
     
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  23. Soccer Dad & Ref

    Oct 19, 2017
    San Diego
    Estimated thread counts on some of the upcoming games? Argentina-Chile might create a forum breakdown
     
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  24. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The ref and the AR on that one side missed two really easy calls where the ball went off the defender but goal kick instead of corner kick given. The one in favor of France was particularly bad. How could you not tell Mike's amazing save was the reason the ball went out?

    As some others here have hinted, I thought this was the weakest reffing display I've seen in the tournament thus far. Nothing earth shatteringly bad. But just not great overall.
     
  25. Alex-Ref

    Alex-Ref Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    Best part of the game was when the cameraman panned to this right after a yellow card was given.

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