Could Cavan Sullivan be our Lamine Yamal in WC 2026?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Swami, Jul 9, 2024.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    He's been practicing with the first team since he signed in May. Same with Vazquez. When they earn their opportunities they will be given them.

    Cavan will at the least be sub in the beginning part of the 2025 MLS season. It'll be tough for him to earn a starting spot given that Gazdag is ahead of him, and for those who don't/aren't paying attention to MLS..... Gazdag is literally one of the best AM's in the league.
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
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    FC Dallas
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    United States
    That's actually a good thing. A 15 year old starter getting big minutes would lead to lots of injuries down the road. I hope they are monitoring that and not over working him as he grows. I thought everyone knew about this years ago with Michael Owens but it has come back and I think a lot of our young stars - Pulisic, Adams, Reyna have suffered because of this.
     
  3. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    That's my biggest worry about Lamine Yamal. We have seen many good youth players who have had bad injuries or are injury-prone. Ansu Fati, Gavi, Pedri, Eden Hazard, Christian Pulisic and now Reyna.
    Good news about Cavan is that Philly doesn't have to push him to sell him the same for many players.
     
  4. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    I mean, we're in the era of absurd haterade. Caitlyn Clark is going to make the WNBA like 3x more popular and get EVERYONE in that league paid substantially more, and it seems like anyone who every other player and half the fans decided to full on hate her before she played a game.
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I also don't think there is a lot of "haterade" on Cavan.
    I think 95% of folks get it, and there are just a couple of vocal contrarians.

    There's a reason Man City paid as much as they did for him.
    But they're paying for the prospect. We'll see how he develops.
    His floor seems high, though.

    And in Philly he's in as good of a developmental environment as he can be in until he's old enough to move to Europe.
     
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
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  7. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    #332 grandinquisitor28, Sep 27, 2024
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    I think the biggest problem with the Clark story is that it is simply too complicated for soundbites.

    *You have the race piece: the "people will only watch when there's a great white hope" argument.

    *You have the. "We've had a billion similarly talented, and even more talented, above the rim players and nobody ever paid any attention to them, or to our superstar PG's like Sue Bird. Is it because she's straight and white"?

    *You have the: "It's jealousy pure and simple argument."

    *Its got the mean girls angle of social ostracism and abuse.

    *I'll add that Bill Burr's take from his comedy special more or less mimics my take I've posted on why the arguments for equal pay in sports are absurd, but that's a separate issue.

    To me, its understandable why players would be jealous and pissed off that literally nothing anyone has ever done in the NBA, and there have been a ton of elite athletes as exciting and more, ever mattered, and then suddenly, this white girl from a conservative state, whose straight, suddenly is the new hotness, while they're all Ford Pinto's nobody gives a rats --- about.

    I totally get why they're incensed by that in a collective sense. It's not all that disimilar from the bull---- Tiger had to put up with in racial reverse in golf, and the williams sisters to a lesser degree in tennis. Norm Breakers/Icon-Breakers, that make sports orders of magnitude more popular, can really piss people off if there is something about them that's different, Tiger being black, in a white, notoriously mega racist sport, the Williams Sisters being literally kids from roughest neighborhoods of LA, playing in lilly white, historically racist tennis world (although to be fair, i think tennis evolved much faster than golf). I think in this case, you have someone breaking open ticket sales #'s, and tv coverage, and because she's different from the majority of elite players historically other than some point guards like Sue Bird, you've got people jealous of what she's done and what it may mean.

    The thing they don't get is that it isn't really "all about the racial" as the line went in the 90s. It's more just a different kind of player that simply captured the zeitgeist. It is, a zeitgist thing rather than a race thing because lets be straight, if we had an African American Jordan, or a Euro White Chocolate playing etc, the eyes would be there too. It's about entertainment, and when Caitlin Clark went nuclear, and backed it up with production, eyes followed, simple as that.

    What made the story much bigger both for ticket sales and attention, is how egregiously bad and how awfully mean girls stereotypical the response was of so many women in the league. It was stupid and self-defeating, like some of what Tiger in particular dealt with 27 years ago in Golf. Let me add, the decision by the Womens Olympic Team not to add her to the roster was so absurdly stupid and wrongheaded, that it basically ensured NOBODY WATCHED OR GAVE A ----. That was probably the cherry on top along with the violence directed at her on a seemingly weekly basis made it seem much more racial than it really was (just freaking jealously and stupidity+other nonsense tied in previously mentioned).

    But it's layered in so much complexity, that there's no way to reasonably explain why it happened. Some of its about race, some of its about jealousy, some of its about women and how they relate compared to men in sports, its just so utterly nuanced, there's no way to cover it properly because its a little bit of literally everything thats been said, and some things that havent been said, out loud. It's all of it.
     
  8. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    Philly mins is better than u17/u20 WC imo.

    Build that week to week momentum of learning to be a pro. That will help more when he moves.
     
  9. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    If Cavan starts to get calls from Germany then I will start to worry. If not I'm good with Cavan staying with Philly
     
  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

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    It's good both to be the rookie trying to break into a team with men and one of the best player's being counted on with kids closer to your age. Instead of deferring you are counted on to lead.
     
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  11. gomichigan24

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  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    I think U20 World Cup would be a pretty good test.
     
  13. Maximum Optimal

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    Jul 10, 2001
    Integration with Philly first team should take priority over youth tournaments.
     
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  14. Scotty

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  15. melatoninlol

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    Scored again for Philly2
     
  16. Clint Eastwood

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  17. xbhaskarx

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  18. xbhaskarx

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  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    I'm going to assume these are all pro athletes who are ultra competitive and his teammates don't treat him with kid gloves in training... also he has three older brothers who probably regularly keep him in check, at least Quinn...



     
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  20. psnotyours

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    Mar 8, 2023
    Why are people soo worried about this??
     
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  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    Because people must be worried about something........................

    Sometimes young players need to learn lessons the hard way. If the ref thought that was taunting, he could have been carded. And yes, an opponent might retaliate with a hard tackle.

    The game polices itself.

    In film session today, hopefully a coach is saying "what the hell did you do that for?" :)
     
  22. Mantis Toboggan M.D.

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jul 8, 2017
    Obviously don't want him to get hurt but short of that, if the cocky kid is pissing off veteran defenders to the extent that they start taking stupid cards that's a good thing.
     
  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Do people really think looking at an opponent you beat "psychopath behavior" or "diabolical"? I'm not much of a competitor and I used to do that, even in pickup sports.

    It's always so weird to me a fanbase can be simultaneously worried about someone being ultra competitve but also super annoyed that players getting too comfortable.
     
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  24. Excellency

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    Nov 4, 2011
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    Looks like he'll be our Mutombo.

    Dikembe Mutombo, shot-blocking NBA center and humanitarian, dies at 58 (msn.com)
     
  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019

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