take, for example, that one team that uses its GK as its PK taker you would not use his goal count to compare him with other GKs nor would you compare him with a striker because he scores goals at a decent clip his has a specific valuable skill, but you would expect that he would make a good goal-scorer as a field player if Hugo had been the PK taker for the Fire, he would assuredly have more goals (how many -- who knows) -- the fact that he does not have those extra goals to his record does not change one's analysis of his play in the field
Generally speaking the majority of PK takers make the majority of the PKs they take. And the conversion rate of "field of play" shots that become goals is what is notably hard to find…and those players make a lot of money to keep doing it. The anchoring on ‘they count the same’ (and unwillingness to accept the part about player comparison) was a BS defensive response to a critique of Shaqiri…who had less field of play goals than lowly Kacper and the same number as a CB And then there is the unwavering kooky obsession with my retort including something along the line of “giving the star all the PKs, vs the person that ‘earned’ the PK is ‘padding his stats’”…which is to say it distorts the view of the field of play goals and helps your star avoid criticism.
Your recap is more like a re-crap. We've going around and around on this and Shaqiri took PKs because he was better at them than anyone else. I don't think a coach is padding anyone's stats unless it's the end of the season and someone is near a record, like Klopas tried to do for Kei.
Of course not, the coach is trying to win matches, which is why the coach would be the team out there that they think would have best chance of winning...including the player who is likely best at scoring a penalty kick, should the situation arise. This is no different than putting the striker out there who would have the best chance of putting the ball in the back of the net, should that situation arise. That is a good example, and, frankly, the end of last season was hopeless so there was no risk in doing so. For the record, I would prefer that the person who takes the penalty be the player who "earned" the penalty (even if it was a "dive"). This is the rule in basketball for free throws (although NOT for technical fouls). However, that is not the rule and every team has one or two designated penalty takes, just like every team has one or two free kick takers.
Nutrider to the end! You still can’t accept it…Shaq’s PK skill/ability has nothing to do with the points of the conversation. Coaches commonly designate ‘stars’ or ‘golden boot chasers’, despite the large majority of attacking players being able convert PKs at 75+%…it’s not arguable. The bottom line of the BS distorted thread of disagreement is…It’s a failure when an 8mil DP CAM can’t out score a CB on their team unless you include the PKs they are given.
That actually was the original conversation and why the "pad his stats" argument is so ludicrous. Edit: As @juicecrewallstar mentioned, it could be useful for such comparisons, but that was not the point of my criticism of the argument. The goal is to win the match. The ONLY way to win a match is by scoring goals and more goals than the other team. All goals count precisely the same towards that aim. Again, I don't give a toss about "player comparison." In the immortal words of Chris M: "Results, motherf*ckers" Prove that. You cannot toss out a made up statistic with no back up and then try to argue that "it's not arguable." Show us the stats were "the large majority of attacking players being able convert PKs at 75+%" as I seriously doubt that is true. No need to respond to this.
“Outside of his goalkeeping position, Chilavert was also known for his outfield skills and ability as a free kickspecialist,[2][3] and often took penalties.[4] He scored 67 goals in his professional career, many of them crucial, including eight in international matches.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Luis_Chilavert
Cuauhtémoc Blanco Score 16 goals for the Fire with SEVEN (almost half) of them being PKs. No one cares though, because they all count.
In 1998, Lubos Kubik scored 7 goals for the fire and 4 were penalties, over half of his total. And, yep, I just checked and they all counted. Not only that, each was instrumental in us winning the match. June 17, 1998 1-0 v. Dallas. Kubik "won" the match with a penalty. August 21, 1998 2-0 v. Colorado. Kubik won the match with his penalty for the game winning goal. September 17, 1998 1-0 v. KC. Kubik won the match with a penalty. Septembe 23, 1998 3-2 v. NE. Kubik scored the first goal on a penalty. (NE ended up taking a 2-1 lead, when Klopas and Wolff scored late so we could win). Yeah, having a good, balanced team. None of them padded anything. https://www.mlssoccer.com/players/lubos-kubik/stats/
On the plus side, Blanco would start so far back and sprint 40 years to the penalty spot, no one could accuse him of "not running enough"...at least on penalties!
In 2022 and 2024 CB Rafa Czichos scored as many ‘field of play’ goals as our marquee 8mil DP ‘everything runs through him CAM’… If it weren’t for Torres Shaq would be the worst DP in Fire history…but he did make 7 of 7 PKs…whoop de do. Happy he is an ex-Fire player and we can move on…until it’s dredged up again with the inane ‘but some people’ and ‘pad stats’…let it go.
You don’t need to, but that doesn’t mean you get to ignore and change the point of debate This is not new or invented by me information…this was the first or second google result https://playtoday.co/blog/stats/penalty-kick-statistics/
That does not answer the question. In fact, it states quite the opposite. Nowhere in the link you provided (and thank you for providing it) does it state: "the large majority of attacking players being able convert PKs at 75+%" as you asserted. Here's why: First, there is incredibly conflicting information, as this is not a study, but an amalgamation of other opinions and stats. Which is fine and, again, I thank you for posting something. If, as you stated, a team designates a "star" to take penalties (and just about every team has a "designated" penalty kick taker) and the "average" in some leagues, according to what you presented is 71.70% (EPL-which sucks) and 73.23% (La Liga), which are already less than 75%, and four additional leagues (Primeira Liga, Aus Bundesliga, Eredivise and Serie A) are at 78% or less, and the highest (Ligue 1) is at 86.41% of the "designated" or "star" penalty takers, then it is highly unlikely that "the large majority of attacking players being able convert PKs at 75+%" If so, why would those other attacking players not take the penalties? In the World Cup, ostensibly the Best of the Best, the conversion rate, per the link you posted is 70.3%, and that is the best players of the best teams in the best competition in the World, but yet it is still less than your mythical 75%. It is were true that "the large majority of attacking players being able convert PKs at 75+%" then why would the "average" of the "star" players be just slightly above or, in fact, less than 75%? Sorry but what you posted simply does not support your claim, and in fact, supports the opposite.
We had Sherjill MacDonald, Federico Puppo, Alvaro Fernandez, Edigio Rios, Gilberto, Castillo, Kennedy, JLA, Ljungberg all of whom were clearly worse with the Fire than Shaqiri. Note, they all cost the Fire precisely the same in salary as Shaqiri. Where Shaqiri could be considered "worse" than some of them is that he cost more to acquire and never obtained a green card, so he also took up an International slot. As for the green card, so did most of the others and it is very difficult for a Swiss citizen to obtain a green card, I understand. I have said that Shaqiri is the most disappointing DP signing by the Fire, but clearly not the worst.