Alert: The RMBS Copa America 2024 Thread - Predictions & Discussion

I remember this day. That Brazilian team made me cringe as much as the current one. Look at that stacked Argentina side. That was insane, lol.

 

Coaching does matter I guess cuz Argentina has had is most successful stretch with a significantly less talented team

 

That's a result Brazilians can be proud of. Now we wait for the Messi apologists to show up.

If only Brazil could have advanced so Vini could bury the demon once and for all.

 

Las facilidades en esta Copa America para Argentina son realmente ridículas. Además del beneficio en el sorteo, en el extraño diseño de los cruces y las polémicas arbitrales: estos son los recorridos que hacen las principales candidatas, con demoras y problemas logísticos pic.twitter.com/YByqNsxIoN

— Psicosi 📽 (@psicosiCeleste) July 7, 2024

In addition to the ridiculously easy path to the final
Argentina had the lowest traveling among the main 3 contenders
Also were given an extra day of rest for the semifinal
And will enjoy an extra day of rest for the final

 

CONMEBOL needs money desperately and has been ensuring Messi stays in the tournament until the final for a while now.

 

I personally don’t think the reffing is outrageous and anything outside of the ordinary for a bigger team.
But the setup definitely is there for them
To have every logistical advantage to make the final

 

CONMEBOL has always benefited Argentinian teams in Libertadores as well. Nothing new.

 

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, if an Argentine player were to pull out a knife and stab someone, there would likely be a robust discussion about whether knives are mentioned in the rules.
I believe two factors are at play here. First, these tournaments have seen many teams use persistent fouling to prevent opponents from doing anything meaningful. Second, with Messi aging, no referee wants to be seen as responsible for him not winning, so Argentine players tend to avoid getting carded. Thus, while Argentina's approach isn't unique, they have an advantage with this tactic that other teams do not.

 

Big teams in every sport always get a favorable whistle. I didn’t see the issue last wc for example and other than a more lenient whistle, haven’t really seen it here tbh

but logistically it is obvious that the final needed to be Argentina vs

brazil
Colombia
Uruguay
Or even the hosts USA


So they made every effort possible to make sure that Argentina gets there and let the rest take care of itself as it actually did

 

Short for Messi since he lives in Miami

 

Yeah I don’t complain about the reffing nor did I think they got helped last WC

the logistics here are obvious but that’s ok. They’ll still have to beat a top team to win it.

 

we have been crying about the fouls for a decade

 

The impact at the World Cup is the same as at the Copa: Argentina is practically penciled into the final, making it theirs to lose. For everyone else, it’s theirs to win.

Edit:

@J-Mezzy I'm really struggling to reconcile how Argentina is helped in the Copa but not in the World Cup. In the words of Obama, "Come on, man!" LOL

 

Logistics is the only help I complain about and it’s much easier in a COPA With less teams and less logistics to facilitate this than on a World Cup with so many moving parts and surprises. They faced Netherlands, Croatia, and France

Also, CONMEBOL is not FIFA and vice versa. CONMEBOL needs Argentina in the final. World Cup does well nobody who makes the final

 

Again, please read my post. Referees don't want to be the ones responsible for Messi not winning, which was a factor in the World Cup and is a factor here too. The logistics you're talking about are something I never addressed. I'm not saying they aren't another factor—they very well might be—but I don't see how you can watch the World Cup and not think any other team would get away with playing like that.
Big teams have an advantage for similar reasons that generational players like Messi receive favoritism. I don't see how you can acknowledge team favoritism and deny player favoritism.

 

Argentina has played this way long before Messi and will do so long after Messi.

I’ve been watching CONMEBOL since 1990 so what drives you guys crazy it’s another day for me. They’ve been kicking people since I was a child and so does Uruguay. Argentina have always gotten away with it more than most as being one of the big boys in CONMEBOL. Brazil don’t typically play this way but they surely kicked the living shit out James in 2014 and they were allowed to for similar reasons.

I know organizations try to help the big teams as they need them to make big runs to secure ratings. So logistically, they try to facilitate it in any way they can.

But you can tune in once Messi retires, Argentina will kick people. Atlético will kick people. Uruguay will kick people. It’s almost part of those teams’ identity. And more often than not, they’ll get away with it

 

Yeah they gave France 2 pks in that final. No bought ref is so willing to give pks to the other team

 

I didn't say that, I said refs are reluctant to send an Argentine player off

 

didn't say they bought the ref, I said refs throughout the tournament were reluctant to send Argentine players off, you guys keep changing what I said