I think this is pretty close to how I have it. Like I said, Musiala is a bit like Zidane at times, albeit against weak opponents. Gakpo has a very strong Sofascore rating indeed. Many positions are a bit of a coin flip. Casteels has done well (as said above) but perhaps not of the Golden Glove class no (though 1986 is debatable I'd say).
Portugal's ratings so far. Not much to cheer about really. 6,60 Pepe (2 rated app.) 6,55 Bruno Fernandes, Francisco Conceição (2) 6,45 Nuno Mendes (2) 6,35 Rúben Dias, Bernardo Silva, Vitinha (2) 6,10 Roberto Martínez (coach), João Cancelo, João Palhinha (2) 6,07 Diogo Costa, Cristiano Ronaldo (3) 5,85 Nélson Semedo, Pedro Neto (2) 5,80 Inácio (2) 5,75 Rúben Neves (2) 5,65 Dalot (2) 5,50 Rafael Leão (2) Team average: 6,01
Thank you for this information! I'm really curious how these numbers are calculated. Is the theory documented anywhere ? Some of the differences between ratings are so miniscule
After each match I collect seven or nine sources - mainly Italian and French - and calculate an average of the marks received. To be included, a player has to be rated in more than half of the sources, which means that a sub entering in the 81th minute can be rated if he has an impact on the game while a player entering in the 70th minute could be without rating if the las 20 minutes of the game are purely "academical" (both teams just passing the ball around waiting for the final whistle). From the quarterfinals I will include at least ten sources and I'll include the German ones (Kicker) after they are published.
By the way, if you're interested in some game or team averages of past Euros, there's a good chance I have the ratings. Just ask, and I'll try to find them!
Hmmm, maybe I should think deeper, but I am thinking about the level of the performance generally. Although it was against weaker opponents. Against Switzerland SofaScore has him almost a point lower, and that backs up what I saw (7.9. 8.0, 7.0). I am also excluding, which I said above too, the evergreen Zidane performances like Portugal at euro 2000 (Spain 2000?). In style of play and attributes there are maybe better comparisons, and Zidane at Real Madrid (close or after age of 30) was different as the Juventus Zidane, but here I am thinking about the vertical dribbling across the middle of the pitch (more similar than, say, Hazard that I 'defended' in another thread - not by definition less dangerous if the ball eventually reaches the danger zones with more space around the ball; and Hazard had like Robben a high success rate compared to other volume dribblers). In the way the ball is released or laid-off just before he reaches an opponent (who sets himself for a dribble attempt past him) or just after a successful dribble, makes me think of Zidane when I quickly think or feel about this. Algorithmic websites do detect Musiala as an attacking midfielder or a left-sided 'winger' ('attacking midfielder left') as his main positions, which is comparable to Zidane in a different time. Musiala his body is different - there are always thing that are not similar and maybe there is a better comparison with an elite level player of the past.
my best XI third round: A Skorupski - Karnicnik, Akanji, Calafiori ,Grimaldo - Kroos, Aallani, Schmid, Olmo, Wirtz - Mikautadze B Donnarumma - Posch, Matvyeenko, Bijol, Prass - Provod, Seiwald, F. Conceicao, De Bruyne ,Kvaratshkelia - Yilmaz C Raya -Castagne, Dalot, Vivian, T. Hernandez - Soucek, R. Marin, Xoxha, R. Sallai, Barcola - Ndoye D Mamardashvili - Bah, Krejci, Pavlovic, Kardioglu - Merino, Freuler, Dembele, Baumgartner, Haraslin - Depay team average rating: 1.ESP 5.47 2.FRA 5.43 3.GER 5.38 4.AUT 5.33 5.POL 5.31 6.ENG 5.23 7.ITA 5.21 8.GEO 5.15 9.SUI 5.14 10.TUR 5.07 11.NED 5.00 12.CRO 5.00 13.HUN 5.00 14.BEL 4.93 15.SCO 4.85 16.UKR 4.80 17.DAN 4.80 18.POR 4.75 19.ROU 4.71 20.SLO 4.67 21.SVK 4.57 22.ALB 4,57 23.CZE 4.53 24.SER 4.40
my best XI group stage: A : Mamardashvili - Kimmich, Akanji, Saliba, Cucurella - Hojbjerg, Fabian Ruiz. Musiala, De Bruyne, Gakpo- Mikautadze B: Donnarumma - Bolla, Bijol, Ake, T. Hernandez - Kante, Kroos, Baumgartner , R. Szalai, Haraslin - Morata C: Strakosha - Carvajal, Vestergaard, Matvyeenko, Nuno Mendes - Soucek ,Provod, Ndoye Gundogan, Wirtz - Fullkrug D: Trubin - Karnicnik, Milenkovic, Drkusic, Prass - Asllani, Barella, Yamal, Bellingham, N. Williams - Arnautovic E: Oblak - Ratiu, Krejci, Dragusin, Mittelstad - Rejinders, Zielinski, Bernardo Silva, Stanciu, Kvaratshkelia - Dragus team average rating: 1.GER 5.84 2.ESP 5.80 3.FRA 5.61 4.NED 5.41 5.AUT 5.40 6.SUI 5.24 7.POR 5.21 8.ENG 5.20 9.BEL 5.10 10.DAN 5.05 11.CRO 5.05 12.ITA 5.04 13.ROU 4.96 14.CZE 4.88 15.TUR 4.87 16.SVK 4.85 17.GEO 4.85 18.SLO 4.84 19.ALB 4.81 20.POL 4.81 21.UKR 4.74 22.HUN 4.68 23.SER 4.67 24.SCO 4.57
1-0 19' Nuno Gomes (Sérgio Conceição), 1-1 51' Thierry Henry (Nicolas Anelka), 1-2 117' Zinédine Zidane PK (hand Abel Xavier). Att: 51.500 (Stade Roi Baudoin, Brussels). Portugal: Vítor Baía 6,35 — Jorge Costa 5,85, Vidigal 5,90 (61' Paulo Bento 6,00), Fernando Couto 6,55, Abel Xavier 5,70, Dimas 5,85 (91' Rui Jorge), Costinha 5,80, Rui Costa 6,30 (78' João Pinto), Sérgio Conceição 6,15, Luís Figo 6,35, Nuno Gomes 6,60. = average: 6,12 [satisfactory] France: Fabien Barthez 6,50 — Bixente Lizarazu 6,50, Lilian Thuram 5,90, Laurent Blanc 5,90 , Marcel Desailly 6,00, Didier Deschamps 6,10, Patrick Vieira 6,10, Emmanuel Petit 5,40 (87' Robert Pirès), Zinédine Zidane 7,60, Thierry Henry 6,60 (105' David Trézéguet), Nicolas Anelka 5,65 (72' Sylvain Wiltord 6,10). = average: 6,20 [solid] This was exactly 20 years ago... Zidane, Figo and Thierry Henry in their prime... Am I the only one to feel painfully nostalgic?
A fairly bleak group stage is over and we really expect all those megagalactic stars to show some class from now on. The average ratings for all players in all games is exactly 6,00 so far. We're still waiting for the first 8 rating to be awarded. So far, the goalies seem to be the dominating personalities of the tournament. Team averages in the group stage: 6,42 Spain 6,25 Switzerland 6,23 Germany 6,22 Georgia 6,11 Slovakia 6,09 France 6,08 Romania 6,07 Austria 6,06 Denmark 6,04 Slovenia 6,01 Portugal 5,99 Turkey, Belgium 5,94 Netherlands 5,90 England 5,87 Poland 5,84 Italy, Albania 5,83 Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine 5,78 Croatia 5,70 Serbia 5,59 Scotland The best team averages in one game: 6,71 Georgia vs Portugal 6,59 Germany vs Scotland 6,56 Romania vs Ukraine 6,51 Spain vs Italy 6,50 Spain vs Croatia 6,49 Slovakia vs Belgium 6,43 Belgium vs Romania Best individual ratings: 7,70 Jamal Musiala vs Scotland 7,70 Nico Williams vs Italy 7,70 Gianluigi Donnarumma vs Spain 7,60 Gianluigi Donnarumma vs Croatia 7,50 Łukasz Skorupski vs France 7,50 Fabián Ruiz vs Croatia 7,50 Nicolò Barella vs Albania 7,50 Arda Güler vs Georgia 7,50 Kevin De Bruyne vs Romania 7,40 Giorgi Mamardashvili vs Portugal & vs Czech Republic 7,40 Georges Mikautadze vs Portugal 7,40 Nicolae Stanciu vs Ukraine 7,40 Mykola Shaparenko vs Slovakia
Here we go: the top rated players in the group stage (now including also Kicker's ratings): 7,38 Fabián Ruiz 7,18 Donnarumma 7,17 Musiala, Mamardashvili 6,92 Nico Williams 6,82 De Bruyne 6,78 Maignan 6,72 Kanté 6,71 Gündoğan, Pedri 6,67 Bruno Fernandes, Cucurella 6,64 Lobotka 6,62 Nuno Mendes, Pepe 6,61 Morata, Xhaka 6,58 Güler, Lamine Yamal, Oblak, Sabitzer 6,57 Aebischer 6,56 Akanji, Niţă 6,53 Haraslin, Kroos The worst rating, among those who have played three games, is Giovanni Di Lorenzo's 5,08.
The logical conclusion has to be opponent strength is not really factored in. When Germany played Scotland and Hungary for instance. The most well balanced group was likely the one with France (maybe the one with Italy and Spain but Croatia is a bit too old, on the way down, and it had also Albania in). But that group with France has now only Maignan (the goalkeeper), Kante and Sabitzer as standouts here. Those teams made each other look bad? Also don't get why Gakpo doesn't get rated here or in other publications: he seems to be someone who played well in all three games (from what I saw myself and what the algorithms say and show). If we just go by the best players in the competition on display, then France would have more outfield players in the top than just only the Duracell runner playing in the sandbox league. edit: there are also the substitutions of course, impacting the grades.
Preliminary ratings (only Italian) after Switzerland's 2-0 win: Switzerland: Yann Sommer 6,00 - Fabian Schär 6,50, Manuel Akanji 6,90, Ricardo Rodríguez 6,60, Michel Aebischer 6,70 (90'+1 Renato Steffen), Remo Freuler 7,40, Granit Xhaka 7,40, Fabian Rieder 6,80 (72' Leonidas Stergiou 6,00), Ruben Vargas 7,60 (71' Steven Zuber 6,10), Breel Embolo 6,20 (77' Vincent Sierro), Dan Ndoye 6,60 (77' Kwadwo Duah). - coach: Murat Yakin 7,30. = average: 6,68 [top-class] Italy: Gianluigi Donnarumma 6,60 - Giovanni Di Lorenzo 4,00, Gianluca Mancini 4,50, Alessandro Bastoni 4,90, Matteo Darmian 4,80 (75' Andrea Cambiaso), Bryan Cristante 4,50 (75' Lorenzo Pellegrini), Nicolò Fagioli 4,50 (86' Davide Frattesi), Nicolò Barella 4,20 (64' Mateo Retegui 5,50), Federico Chiesa 4,60, Gianluca Scamacca 4,20, Stephan El Shaarawy 4,90 (46' Mattia Zaccagni 5,80). - coach: Luciano Spalletti 3,20. = average: 4,85 [abysmal]
Very sour for the Danes Goal ruled out for offside (I thought it is not offside when it bounces off an opponent?) and then a little later a penalty for handball... maybe the right decision on both counts but very sour. On many other occasions in this tournament the VAR does nothing because the standard has to be a "clear and obvious error". Was that penalty call clear and obvious?
Switzerland 2-0 Italy: Remo Freuler and Ruben Vargas guide Swiss into Euro 2024 quarter-finals as holders crash out - TNT Sports Switzerland: Sommer 6; Schar 7, Akanji 8, Rodriguez 7; Ndoye 7, Freuler 7, Xhaka 8, Aebischer 8; Rieder 8; Vargas 9; Embolo 6. Subs: Zuber 6, Stergiou 6, Sierro 6, Duah 6, Steffen. Italy: Donnarumma 7; Di Lorenzo 5, Mancini 6, Bastoni 6, Darmian 4; Cristante 5, Fagioli 5, Barella 6; Chiesa 6, El Shaarawy 6; Scamacca 4. Subs: Zaccagni 7, Retegui 6, Cambiaso 6, Pellegrini 6, Frattresi. Germany 2-0 Denmark: Hosts book Euro 2024 quarter-final place as lightening, VAR have their say on eventful night - TNT Sports Germany: Neuer 8, Kimmich 7, Rudiger 7, Schlotterbeck 7, Raum 6, Andrich 6, Kroos 7, Sane 8, Gundogan 7, Musiala 8, Havertz 8 Subs: Anton 6, Can 6, Fullkrug 6, Wirtz 7, Henrichs 6 Denmark: Schmeichel 8, Andersen 7, Vestergaard 6, Christensen 6, Bah 7, Delaney 7, Hojbjerg 7, Maehle 6, Skov Olsen 6, Hojlund 6, Eriksen 7 Subs: Bruun Larsen 6, Kristiansen 6, Norgaard 6, Poulsen 6, Wind 6 I think I'd go with a 6 for entertainment ratings for both, avoiding going any lower for either (considering also that that's the lowest I went previously) as the goals alone (the first for the overall move and the second for the quality of the clip into the far corner) are enough to avoid it for Switzerland vs Italy even if I had wondered if I'd be ending up going somewhat lower at some point, and the main reason to consider it for Germany vs Denmark would be to reflect a negative entertainment-contribution of the penalty decision I guess (although it was not really an exciting game overall I felt anyway, albeit with some moments of nice and/or surprising skills). 'Correct' or not according to current rules I feel like that was very much ball to hand rather than vice versa anyway. Not to say Switzerland didn't put in an accomplished performance (both solid and cohesive, and winning fairly comfortably), although I probably still feel like they are a relatively ordinary team rather than a particularly exceptional one. Maybe 8 for Donnarumma in Italian press surprises me slightly overall, even if when he made that early save I did start to wonder if he was on his way to entering my tournament XI. I think for the opening goal it might be argued he might have done better. On the other hand maybe Neuer getting 8 with TNT is slightly surprising too, but I also can see the positive reasons towards such a grade I guess and although surely clearly past his peak I'm tending to think in things like decision making and reliability he might have been optimising performances in this tournament moreso than even sometimes when more in his peak (and certainly in this Denmark game). Not that I think I am an any kind of expert on goalie performance lol: but those things did come to mind anyway, so maybe worth mentioning....
Italy's final ratings: 7,02 Gianluigi Donnarumma (4 rated app.) 6,30 Riccardo Calafiori (3) 6,27 Mattia Zaccagni (3) 5,80 Nicolò Barella (4), Lorenzo Pellegrini (3) 5,78 Alessandro Bastoni (4) 5,65 Andrea Cambiaso (2) 5,57 Jorginho (3) 5,47 Mateo Retegui (3) 5,45 Federico Chiesa (4) 5,43 Bryan Cristante (3) 5,37 Davide Frattesi (3) 5,30 Federico Dimarco (3) 5,28 Gianluca Scamacca (4) 5,08 Luciano Spalletti (coach) 5,05 Matteo Darmian (2) 4,85 Giovanni Di Lorenzo (4) The team average is 5,61, but if we exclude Donnarumma's marks the average is actually lower than Scotland's and Serbia's (5,50). The reasons why Italy's football has impoverished this much are many, but right now most people seem to blame the "guardiolismo". Three years ago, when Italy won the title, Federico Chiesa rated 6,94, Gianluigi Donnarumma and Jorginho 6,66, Nicolò Barella 6,13, Giovanni Di Lorenzo 6,07 and Bryan Cristante 6,03.
The best of the third day according to my ratings: 1.- Skorupski: 8.24 2.- Mamardashvili: 8,16 3.- Kvarestkhelia: 8,13 4.- Sabitzer: 7,97 5.- Mikataudze: 7,90 6.- Donnarumma: 7,81 7.- Dani Olmo: 7,64 8.- Raya: 7,60 9.- Schmid: 7.50 10.- Mbappé: 7.41
With all the ratings of the first phase included in the spreadsheet, the best averages give me the following (minimum 150 minutes played): 1.- Fabian Ruiz: 8.23 2.- Mamardashvili: 7.69 3.- Cucurella: 7.62 4.- Musiala: 7,52 5.- Donnarumma: 7.46 6.- Mikataudze: 7.32 7.- Lamine Yamal: 7.29 8.- De Bruyne: 7,27 9.- Sabitzer: 7.21 10.- Bernardo Silva: 7,20 11.- Carvajal: 7,19 12.- Eriksen: 7,14 13.- Bruno Fernandes: 7.11 14.- Gundogan: 7,10 15.- Lobotka: 7,09 16.- Pepe: 7,08 17.- Vitinha: 7,06 18.- Nuno Mendes: 7,04 19.- Kanté: 7,02 20.- Trubin: 7,01 21.- Rodri: 7,01 22.- Kroos: 7,01 23.- Xhaka: 7 24.- Muldur: 6,97 25.- Gakpo: 6,96 26.- Unai Simon: 6.96 27.- Mbappé: 6,94 28.- Casteels: 6,91 29.- Nita: 6,90 30.- Ndoye: 6,90 31.- Soucek: 6,89 32.- Bijol: 6,88 33.- Haraslin: 6,87 34.- Kochorashvili: 6,85 35.- Maignan: 6,83 36.- Barella: 6.82 37.- Oblak: 6,81 38.- Akanji: 6,81 39.- Mudryck: 6.8 40.- Dani Olmo: 6.8 41.- Baungartner: 6.78 42.- Kimmich: 6.77 43.- Razvan Marin: 6,76 44.- Wirtz: 6.75 45.- Aebischer: 6,75 46.- Morata: 6,74 47.- Seiwald: 6,74 48.- Karnicnik: 6,74 49.- Kvarestkhelia: 6,72 50.- Janza: 6,72
Haha, the goal of Simons vs France was disallowed and this Rodri goal for the 1-1 stands? Seriously? What a joke, again. How is that not offside? Where is the consistency.