Who has the best Longevity excluding Stanley Matthews? Ferenc Puskas would be my answer for the fact he was still a starter for Real Madrid in his late 30s compared to Cristiano Ronaldo for example who is playing in Saudi Arabia.
Players who have more high value assists (who create one on one situations, high xG situations):The same table of high value assists but relative to the team goals: https://t.co/jckv2qkfng pic.twitter.com/H25991ggrh— Guts (@OroRogerio) January 29, 2024
With Crosses: Relative to the Team scoring: pic.twitter.com/xlfQkjmUUU— Guts (@OroRogerio) January 30, 2024
I gave some reps for those interesting additions mate, though I admit at the moment I haven't tried to check about the origins of the stats (and how much estimation/extrapolation is involved), but just had a quick view of the tweets. I guess an alternative description to 'high value assists' (because it is missing things like long dribbles, particularly creative/skilled play around the box, so maybe 'highest quality assists' would even not be 100% right) could be 'defence-splitting passes' (for the version without the crosses, some of which would have been preceded by dribbling I guess too)?
the criteria for "high value" assists is when you put your team mate in a one on one condition, with crosses you can also generate headers and tap ins too, obviously isn't perfect and have some great assists that don't follow this conditions
@defence2attack is the guy who create the thread, in each player you can see what are the total number and the estimative (mostly for old players) he isn't active here on bigsoccer though I help him with some players
Like the data a lot! One question: Does the “crosses” stat here count assists that are crosses from set pieces or not?
The best method @Trachta10 here I remove Assists and penalties from the team goals: pic.twitter.com/5KIAs84DjG— Guts (@OroRogerio) February 1, 2024
Yeah, that's another interesting one. I guess it can be tricky to decide whether taking out assists is better, though I understand you have that preference (and for removing the player's goals from the assist % calculations too) - I suppose seeing both versions (with and without removing) can give an overall view, though I'm not suggesting taking a mid-point between the two versions would be definitive or anything like that. I suppose that's just long shots and dribbling goals, so in terms of 'solo goals' with main contribution by the scorer then there could be other things (slightly closer range chips, curlers etc perhaps, certainly backheels/scorpions etc though there won't be many anyway, overhead kicks, angled volleys and half-volleys perhaps from inside the box etc). It's definitely interesting to see the numbers though, albeit I guess the older ones have a margin for error, considering the estimation/extrapolation taking place (as one example I think I'd be surprsied if Gerd Muller didn't have more long shot goals than that, but also surprised if he had as many dribbling goals as that....depending maybe on exactly what counts as a dribble as taking the widest view could give him quite a few inside the box 'dribbles' I guess, with defenders close by when he scores). This one is also interesting (despite the caption I guess it's not just the ones where players go around the goalkeeper though? - I guess Ronaldo Nazario and Baggio could be higher if it was? - also Gary Lineker comes to mind for that and for the overall 1 vs 1 goal tallies probably, while another English striker Jimmy Greaves might do but could possibly even fare better with the long shots + dribbles category - I'm not sure and it won't be possible to get a very accurate tally for him I guess, but it's evident if long shots includes all outside box shots at least that he has more than might be assumed I think, once more of his goals are looked at, and he certainly has some notable dribbling goals). Guts on X: "@Trachta10 @Trachta10 here I remove Assists and penalties from the team goals: https://t.co/5KIAs84DjG" / X (twitter.com) Kocsis shows up nicely on that one, but I don't know how much of that will be dribbling around goalkeepers (I'm assuming it could be largely one vs one shots).... I don't know whether @vyncy might be able to get an approximate number of goals involving dribbling past outfield players and/or goalkeepers by Faas Wilkes, from Serie A game reports, or not (don't worry vyncy if not, but it crossed my mind maybe you would have access to the relevant reports). Or whether @Titanlux or @Trachta10 could do it for his La Liga games. It could be an interesting one to know about in theory. His 'dribbling assists' number would also be interesting to know (but potentially that's even a bit harder to find out I guess).
Why do you want Long Shots + Dribble goals? it's because is the goal types with lower xG? or more dependent on Player ability?
I don't think that 1v1 Goals are solo goals, like it's a very high xG goal, mostly generated by long ball or through ball who put the player on this condition
Here shows the players who more create 1v1 situations or high xG situations to his team mates, shows the quality of the passing threat, vision, game QI and the quality of the final third playmaking of these players: The same table of high value assists but relative to the team goals: https://t.co/jckv2qkfng pic.twitter.com/H25991ggrh— Guts (@OroRogerio) January 29, 2024
Players with more Dribbling goals p90 and relative to the team goals: Dribbling goals relative to the team goals and relative to the player open play goals: https://t.co/RQP6Z3NvLe pic.twitter.com/pThceGaVEy— Guts (@OroRogerio) January 31, 2024
Players with more Long Shots p90 relative to the team goals: Long Shots p90 relative to the team goals and relative to the player open play goals https://t.co/gWEXedQXEB pic.twitter.com/RE4cbOjupf— Guts (@OroRogerio) January 31, 2024
Players with highest % of poacher goals relative to the player total goals: Players with the highest percent of Poacher Goals: https://t.co/bxekC0WAcc pic.twitter.com/NjcI41UMIu— Guts (@OroRogerio) January 31, 2024
Players with the highest % of high xG goals ("easy goals") (penalties + Poacher goals): Players with highest percent of high xG goals (penalties + tap ins): pic.twitter.com/jGrdeR2lad— Guts (@OroRogerio) January 31, 2024
The players with more 1v1 goals the best receiving outlet: Players with more 1v1 Goals p90, the art of dribbling the goalkeeper pic.twitter.com/dtAkK5QCB4— Guts (@OroRogerio) February 1, 2024
The most interesting thing about this info IMO is what it tells us about how some really old players got their goals and assists. For instance, it is actually somewhat surprising to me that, out of all the players listed there, Puskas has more dribble goals than all but Pele, Messi, Romario, and Cruyff. There’s a few more that are ahead of him in dribble goals per 90 minutes (Neymar, Best, R9), and we can see from the team % numbers that he was obviously playing in a team context with lots of goals in general (though note that his teammates Kocsis and Di Stefano barely had any dribble goals, so it’s not like those goals in particular were clearly super easy to come by). But Puskas being that prolific in terms of dribble goals does actually materially change my view of him in terms of that aspect of the game.
but yeah, he have way more dribble goals than his team mates, yeah he scored more dribbling goals than his team mates, but him and Romário most of times only dribble past 1 player to score, Messi and Pelé is the ones with more dribbling goals and also more players dribbled before score (Pelé being the highest in both which is insane)
I suppose the Puskas dribble goals tally is an extrapolation from the ones that have been seen on video; perhaps both of his goals vs Italy in 1953 for example (2nd and 3rd Hungarian goals on the video below, if the 3rd would be considered valid as a 'dribbling goal'): The one vs England/Billy Wright (with the dragback) would be another one I would assume. I guess one of the ones vs Eintracht Frankfurt in 1960 (he goes past a defender after the ball breaks loose and then he fires a shot into the net). I don't think Trachta's sources for Hungary would even have enabled getting a good estimate for a tally from Hungarian reports though (if I remember/understand correctly), because I think you just had assist tallies to refer to directly didn't you Trachta, not game reports to find them from....