Random World Cup Facts

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018 - Russia' started by benztown, Jun 24, 2005.

  1. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    It a little strange the coincidence that for the most part everytime France wins a major title, Germany has an awful tournament. They went out in the Group stage in both Euro 84 and 2000 and now in the 2018 World Cup. The only one where they did well was in the 1998 World Cup and they did lost 3-0 against Croatia ( I think their biggest margin in an elimination game in the WC).

    Also weird in both of France titles of the U17 and U20 World Cups, Germany failed to qualify in the tournament.
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  2. ManuelRacing95

    Racing Club
    Mar 5, 2018
    Top 10 all time table with the Jules Rimet trophy (1930-1970)

    1- Brazil 83 pts
    2- Germany 68 pts
    3- Italy 49 pts
    4- Uruguay 46 pts
    5- Hungary 41 pts
    6- England 36 pts
    7- USSR 33 pts
    8- Yugoslavia 30 pts
    9- Sweden 30 pts
    10- Checoslovaquia 27 pts
    11- Argentina 26 pts
    12- France 22 pts
    13- Chile 22 pts
    14- Spain 20 pts
    15- Austria 19 pts
    16- Switzerland 17 pts
    17- Portugal 15 pts
    18- Mexico 13 pts
    19- United States 9 pts
    20- Paraguay 8 pts

    Top 20 (1974-2018)

    1- Brazil 154 pts
    2- Germany 153 pts
    3- Argentina 118 pts
    4- Italy 107 pts
    5- France 93 pts
    6- Netherlands 93 pts
    7- Spain 85 pts
    8- England 72 pts
    9- Belgium 65 pts
    10- Poland 53 pts
    11- Mexico 49 pts
    12- Sweden 40 pts
    13- Uruguay 38 pts
    14- Croatia 37 pts
    15- Portugal 33 pts
    16- Russia 33 pts
    17- Serbia 32 pts
    18- Denmark 31 pts
    19- Colombia 29 pts
    20- Switzerland 27 pts
  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Hmm... the American base of Diego Garcia in the middle of the Indian Ocean is a more recent example: all the native population were forcefully relocated, and the territory is part of the USA but with a nebulous state that is neither an official territory, not a dependence, nor a colony. And it's shrouded in secrecy.

    And that happened less than 50 years ago.
  4. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    It's been 8 years, 2 World Cups ago, since I posted this message, yet the formula still holds.

    Since 1966, the 3rd place team of the World Cup, if it's from Europe, still can't qualify for the upcoming European Championship, unless that 3rd place team is West Germany or Germany.

    1966 Portugal (eliminated in Group 2 for Euro 68)
    1970 W. Germany (won Euro 72)
    1974 Poland (eliminated in Group 5 for Euro 76)
    1978 Brazil (N/A)
    1982 Poland (eliminated in Group 2 for Euro 84)
    1986 France (eliminated in Group 3 for Euro 88)
    1990 Italy (eliminated in Group 3 for Euro 92)
    1994 Sweden (eliminated in Group 3 for Euro 96)
    1998 Croatia (eliminated in Group 8 for Euro 00)
    2002 Turkey (lost to Latvia in the playoffs for Euro 04)

    2006 Germany (runners-up for Euro 08)
    2010 Germany (semi-finalist for Euro 12)

    2014 Netherlands (eliminated in Group A for Euro 16)

    So, the jinx on the 3rd place team is still on, even though the Euro is expanded to 24 teams.

    It's Belgium's turn.
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  5. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Once again, as long as it's not on European soil, the U.S.A. is doing OK.

    1930 Uruguay - semi-final
    1950 Brasil - gigantic upset of England
    1994 USA - 2nd round
    2002 Korea/Japan - quarter-final
    2010 South Africa - 2nd round
    2014 Brasil - 2nd round
  6. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Well, three World Cups later, this phenomenon that England being Brasil's lucky mascot is still true.

    So far England has qualified for 15 World Cups. In the four World Cups they met (1958, 1962, 1970, 2002), Brasil ended up as champs. In the eleven World Cups that they didn't meet, Brasil didn't go all the way.

    Now it's 15 out of 15.
  7. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Prior to July 8, 2014, European teams have never beaten a South American team in a the knock-out rounds (1930, 1962, 1978 and 2014) of a South American World Cup, going 0-9. All losses were outright losses, not even penalty shootout.

    1930 Uruguay 6 Yugoslavia 1
    1962 Chile 2 USSR 1; Brasil 3 England 1; Chile 1 Yugoslavia 0; Brasil 3 Czechoslovakia 1
    1978 Brasil 2 Italy 1; Argentina 3 Netherlands 1
    2014 Argentina 1 Switzerland 0; Argentina 1 Belgium 0

    Then all in a sudden, the European teams won 3 of the next 4 games, with Argentina's penalty shootout win over the Netherlands the exception:
    Germany 7 Brasil 1
    Netherlands 3 Brasil 0
    Germany 1 Argentina 0

    All in all, South American teams eliminated European teams in straight knock-out games 10 out of 13 times.

    Furthermore, counting group games beyond the first round (Final pool in 1950, 2nd round group games in 1978), Europe's results were nothing to write home about.

    1950 Brasil 7 Sweden 1; Uruguay 2 Spain 2; Brasil 6 Spain 1; Uruguay 3 Sweden 2
    1978 Argentina 2 Poland 0; Poland 1 Peru 0; Brasil 3 Poland 1

    Altogether, CONMEBOL's head-to-head against UEFA beyond the first round:

    W 14, D 2, L 4
  8. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    South American teams had a better head-to-head when they play "away" to UEFA, i.e. in the European World Cup.

    In straight knock-out games (including knock-out games in the first round of 1934 and 1938), UEFA teams were 23-13 over CONMEBOL teams.

    However, 7 of CONMEBOL's eliminations of UEFA teams came in 1958 or before. After 1958, in CONMEBOL's 6 eliminations of UEFA teams, 4 of them came in the form of penalty shoot-outs. In other words, in the past 60 years, CONMEBOL only beat UEFA teams outright twice in the knock-out rounds of European World Cups.

    1998 Brasil 3 Denmark 2
    2018 Uruguay 2 Portugal 1

    Winning on the other team's continent sure isn't easy, even though it's not against the home team.
  9. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Since I started following the World Cup in 1970, I've always had the impression that Uruguay was an ultra defensive team. This point of view was justified. In the World Cups in the next 30+ years since 1970, Uruguay's goal production in World Cup games was binary, only 0 or 1.

    Since they scored 2 goals against Israel in their opening game in 1970, Uruguay went 18 games with only 0 or 1 goals scored:

    0-0 vs Italy
    0-1 vs Sweden
    1-0 vs USSR
    1-3 vs Brasil
    0-1 vs W. Germany

    0-2 vs Netherlands
    1-1 vs Bulgaria
    0-3 vs Sweden

    1-1 vs W. Germany
    1-6 vs Denmark
    0-0 vs Scotland
    0-1 vs Argentina

    0-0 vs Spain
    1-3 vs Belgium
    1-0 vs S. Korea
    0-2 vs Italy

    1-2 vs Denmark
    0-0 vs France

    Then all in a sudden, they scored 3 goals against Senegal in the group finale. Since they had to beat Senegal by 2 clear goals to ensure advancement, that's why they opened up the attack.
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  10. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Ireland was the same as Uruguay. Since their first World Cup appearance in 1990, they were also a binary scoring team, either 0 or 1 goal, for their first 11 games in World Cup history.

    1-1 vs England
    0-0 vs Egypt
    1-1 vs Netherlands
    0-0 vs Romania (won on pen.)
    0-1 vs Italy

    1-0 vs Italy
    1-2 vs Mexico
    0-0 vs Norway
    0-2 vs Netherlands

    1-1 vs Cameroon
    1-1 vs Germany

    Now they faced a situation. Before the final group games, the standing was as follows:

    Germany 2 1 1 0 9 1 4
    Cameroon 2 1 1 0 2 1 4
    Ireland 2 0 2 0 2 2 2
    Saudi Arabia 2 0 0 2 0 9 0

    In case Cameroon drew Germany in the final game, Ireland wanted to play safe. They wanted a better goal difference than Cameroon, and ended up with 3 goals against Saudi Arabia.
  11. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    I sure had this type of French "overseas department" to thank, as they are simply French territory, same as the France homeland.

    There's a tiny island south of Newfoundland, namely, St. Pierre-et-Miquelon, that also belongs to this category, a French overseas department. They have the French TV channels as in France.

    The Canadian satellite TVs also included the St. Pierre-et-Miquelon channels. Back in the early 2000s, when I had Canadian satellite, I could get SPM's TF1.

    Why is that significant? you ask? TF1 carried the Champions League games of the French teams. That's the extra Champions League games I could catch besides what they offered on ESPN and TSN. Back in the dark days of watching soccer in the U.S., any extra games I could get was icing on the cake.

    Of course, nowadays, I think you can catch all the CL games on special packages from Fox.
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fox lost the CL rights to Turner/Bleacher Report. Some of the qualifiers, including 3 out of 9 today, are at live.bleacherreport.com
  13. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member

    Paris Saint Germain
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    This world cup has broken all records about the number of own goals being conceded.


    As a matter of fact, I wonder if that's really because of the clumsiness of backwards or if it's not a consequence of VAR. Indeed, there are many goals which have been considered "own goals" and which probably wouldn't in the past.

    For instance in final, Mandzukic actually failed to deflect out of goal Griezmann's strike which was on goal. From what people told me, a deflected strike which was on goal shouldn't be considered an own goal, otherwise a keeper would score an own goal each time he touches the ball but fail to deflect it out of goal. I'm not sure I really agree with this evolution.
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  14. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    Yeah the own goal calls this tournament were TERRIBLE and I don't know why it wasn't a bigger deal. No way goals like the Cionek "owngoal" against Senegal or the Meriah "own goal" against Panama should have been own goals. Those were textbook deflections.
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  15. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    Pfaffenhofen / Ilm
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina and Brazil are neigbours and rivals as well as Belgium and the Netherlands.

    Since 1974, at least 2 of those 4 teams have met every single world cup and often there had been more than just 1 encounter.

    1974 - 3 out of possible 3 matches with NED + BRA + ARG in a secound-round-group
    1978 - 2 out of 3 matches with BRA v ARG and the final ARG v NED
    1982 - 2 out of 3 with BRA v ARG in the 2nd round and the opening match ARG v BEL
    1986 - 1 out of 3 with ARG v BEL semi final
    1990 - 1 out of 3 with ARG v BRA round of 16 match
    1994 - 2 out of 6 with one 1st-round-match NED v BEL and the QF NED v BRA
    1998 - 3 out of 6 with another 1st-round-match NED v BEL, the QF NED v ARG and the semi BRA v NED
    2002 - 1 out of 3 with BRA v BEL in the Round of 16
    2006 - 1 out of 3 with ARG v NED in a 1st-round-group
    2010 - 1 out of 3 with BRA v NED in the QF
    2014 - 3 out of 6 with ARG v BEL in the QF, ARG v NED in the SF and NED v BRA in the 3rd-place-match
    2018 - 1 ouf of 3 with BRA v BEL in the SF

    makes it a total of 21 out of 45 possible encounters.

    and to top all of that....

    none of them met before 1974 at a world cup.
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  16. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    Pfaffenhofen / Ilm
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    in 2002 they played in the world cup and did not came far in the tournament.

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