Italy v Germany v England in UEFA Coefficient Rankings(R)

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  1. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

    Jul 1, 2014
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    Liverpool FC
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    #351 LorneMarvello, Mar 14, 2018
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    This clown never learns and i doubt you even watched most of the games you qouted both united and seville were poor neither played that well and roma are typically overated by you as always.

    also liverpools form has improved since the start of the season funboy and everyone could see apart from stupid mistakes we were miles ahead of Seville, maybe their is a hoodoo their but they are not a better side then liverpool and neither are roma and i would sooner have firmino anyday.

    lol liverpool would have munsoned shaktar roma snook through while being dominated at home.

    yes we looked shit against city at anfield clown and if chelsea and atletico played roma now in a 2 leg they would be favourites and you know it.

    now start to zip up that clown suit
     
  2. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

    Jul 1, 2014
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    he through everything into a park the bus counter against liverpool you just cant shit styles like that especially when seville didnt need to win, if united had simply played at 100 mph in the first 45 they would have over run seville.

    most of their fans are angry at their team for not putting a full shift in, not going out.
     
  3. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
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    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Well Roma also beat Napoli at home 4-2 just about a week ago. But yes Roma had a tougher group in UCL than Napoli and managed to top it. I suppose I can arguably say that Roma did play better in Ukraine against Shakhtar than Napoli did, but at the same time Napoli beat them 3-0 in Italy, while Roma only 1-0. Although it was different circumstances because Napoli just needed the 3 points. Roma wanted to play cautiously at the back and not concede an away goal.

    However in Ukraine I watched both games vs Napoli and Roma, and while both ended 2-1, Roma definitely played a better game than Napoli did in Ukraine.

    Also if you just look at the teams on paper, Roma have a better midfield and defense. Napoli's attack is more experienced but I feel Callejon is overrated a bit. Insigne and Mertens are Napoli's best attackers, and Mertens can be inconsistent (well so can Dzeko as well). Overall Roma have a better team on paper than Napoli and their bench is superior.
     
  4. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
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    Juventus FC
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    Italy
    Yes I know both of them were not that great, but De Gea did really well in both legs to keep Man Utd in the game. Sevilla had quite a few chances that they missed or De Gea did amazing saves on. Sevilla were definitely the better side throughout both legs.

    I don't think Liverpool's form has improved that much. Maybe a little bit, but they did have good form at the start of the season as well, especially in the UCL. And yes you were the better side against Sevilla, but let me say again Sevilla was managed poorly and really sucked until they hired Montella as their coach, and now they are looking more like the old Sevilla of past seasons.

    Woah Now, Liverpool would have smashed Shakhtar? I don't think so. Shakhtar are not a team to be underestimated and have a solid defense. They also are very experienced playing together for so long. For Goodness Sake, they beat Man City in Ukraine. Yes I know Man City had nothing to play for and were already through, but still.

    Yes I know Chelsea and Atletico would be slight favorites against Roma, but that does not guarantee they would win though. Were they not favorites to advance in the group stage? If Roma upset them in the group, I see no reason why they would not be capable of upsetting Chelsea or Atletico in the knockouts.
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Some credit should be given for how Sevilla played. They had between 38 and 46 shots across the two legs (depending on who's doing the counting). They really deserved to win that first leg by at least a goal if not two, which would've meant likely advancing even if Man Utd played up to their potential in the second leg.

    Sevilla and Liverpool proved this round they are ready to play tougher competition next round. Roma? Not so much. It looked like Shakhtar is about their limit.
     
  6. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
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    Juventus FC
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    Italy
    But Liverpool got an easy team. Porto has been deteriorating more and more almost every season. Liverpool has not had a tough game in the UCL so far this season.

    Also with Shakhtar, I believe Roma were playing pretty conservatively. They did not want to concede the away goal so they were playing park the bus tactic and not pushing forward as much as they could have.
     
  7. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

    Jul 1, 2014
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    They were losing 2-1 and still played negatively they just got lucky
     
  8. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

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    More garbage by this kid I seen nothing from Seville against United that was more impressive then when they played us they even got beat at home by Valencia last weekend
     
  9. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

    Jul 1, 2014
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    Indeed but 75% of those shots rolled into de geas lap
     
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  10. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

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    Chelsea needed to take their chances over 2 legs and not make any serious mistakes


    Failed on both counts
     
  11. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
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    Juventus FC
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    Italy
    Well De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers in the world.
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

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    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
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    Manchester United FC
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    How is Chelsea better than Man Utd? Man Utd is ahead by 9 points and 10 goal differential in the EPL. They each won their home game against the other by 1. They're both left in the FA Cup. They were eliminated in the same round of the Champions League. Man Utd got 4 more points in the Group Stage, and that's with Chelsea in the top pot as EPL champion.

    Porto is in first in Portugal, and they didn't win any of the last four seasons.
     
  13. Insigne4BalonD'or

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Apr 6, 2017
    In Hiding with Sal's mom
    How the fcuk is Roma better than Napoli.

    Ya they beat us but everywhere the headline was that it was an upset. Even the Roma fans were thinking they were gonna smashed before the game started because we have a better team. Look we're definitely not the strongest team in Italy, it's clear for everyone to see Juventus still is and no Napoli fans has outright said We are a better team than Juventus.

    We fcuked up the first game in Ukraine coming out way too offensively, we put up 2 good games with Man City bar the first 25 minutes of the first leg where it was all Man City but we deserved the win in the 2nd leg, we lost our best fullback in December who was at the time arguably the best in the world based on current form. Our backup striker got injured in October and is only now coming back. Our midfield is better than Roma's too .. Roma's midfield is all grit but little technical ability. Naingollan is their most technical midfielder... We can bring Zielinski off the bench, Diawara off the bench and Rog who deserves more play time but due to Allan being amazing this year has struggled to make it into the team.


    We just don't have a replacement for Insigne and I completely disagree about Callejon. Callejon is not overrated, he's just SHIT
     
  14. soccerr9

    soccerr9 Member+

    Jun 6, 2005
    #364 soccerr9, Mar 15, 2018
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    Napoli only have 11 very good players then 2-3 young players with great potential. The rest of the squad simply isn't big enough to compete on multiple fronts. They sat starters in what turned out to be two crucial CL group stage matches.

    Had Napoli went all out for the CL, they would have been 15+ points behind Juve instead of four. Liverpool and Roma are way below first place in their leagues, but in the quarters. Only Barca, Real, Juve, Bayern, and now City have the depth and quality to win nearly every match they play.

    As far as Juve are concerned, they have won 7 out of 8 two legged KO under Allegri. The one KO tie lost was in extra time vs Bayern in a very very controversial 2nd leg when up 2-0 with 15 min left.

    In that run they eliminated Klopp's Dortmund (won 3-0 in Germany), Monaco (twice, 2-0 and 0-0 in France), Real (1-1 in Madrid), Porto (2-0 in Portugal), Barca (0-0 in Spain), Tottenham (2-1 at Wembley). In regular time Allegri has not even lost a KO match. It's a crazy run that is overshadowed by the lost finals.

    Their only downfall is that they came up against a treble winning 2015 Barca and a historically great Madrid in both finals.
     
  15. soccerr9

    soccerr9 Member+

    Jun 6, 2005
    Points won per match in league, W% (wins/total matches), goal difference per match, total losses

    City- 2.7 points per, 87%, +2.17 (goal diff per match), 1 loss
    Barca - 2.57 points per, 79%, +2.11, 0 losses
    Juve - 2.64 points per, 86%, +1.88, 2 losses
    Bayern - 2.54 points per, 81%, +1.81, 2 losses
    Real - 2.04 points per, 61%, +1.32. 5 losses
    Liverpool - 2 points per, 57%, +1.33, 4 losses
    Roma - 2 points per, 61%, +.86, 6 losses
    Sevilla - 1.61 points per, 50%, -.21, 11 losses

    If the past few years are any indication, 3 out of the 4 teams that will advance to the semis are the ones that win at least 75% of their league matches.

    It shows just how consistently good City, Barca, Juve, and Bayern have been this season. It's astonishing that these four teams have combined for only 5 losses! Barca are still undefeated in all competitions while Juve have not lost in any competition since the beginning of November which is just about five months.

    By far the weakest team is Sevilla. They have lost a whopping 11 times and have a negative goal difference.

    Roma and Liverpool are about the same. Both win 2 points per match. Roma have won more matches but also have more losses. Liverpool win matches more comfortably as their goal difference per match is bigger relative to Roma.

    Obviously Real are Real.
     
  16. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

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    Stato! Stato! Stato!
     
  17. soccerr9

    soccerr9 Member+

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    #367 soccerr9, Mar 15, 2018
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    We have to go by something otherwise we bias savages will revert to stereotypes and name calling!

    Anything can happen certainly, but it's pretty clear that the 4 league leaders are in their own stratosphere while Real are CL masters.

    Unless they are matched up against each other, Roma, Liverpool, and Sevilla need to pull off something epic to advance.

    The biggest difference is that City have proven in their own league that they belong with the continental elites. This is the best EPL side in 10+ years. Barca, Real, and Bayern have been at this stage consistently for 10 years. Juve joined then over the last 5 years. City may be there now. The downfall for the EPL is that City won the league in November/December. They could go on to win multiple league titles where now Europe becomes the priority.
     
  18. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

    Jul 1, 2014
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    The epl is too tough physically next season united will buy big, chelsea will have a clean out including conte and City could even buy Messi but still do worse then this season.

    having said that they are starting to look more vunerable and the likes of Juve and Barca can be got at, for all their mistakes if chelsea had taken their chances they might still be in the draw.
     
  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
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    Spain quickly catching up to England's coefficient for the 2017-18 season. England had a huge lead not too long ago, now looking like Spain will end up on top by the end of the season.
     
  20. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    I'm sure Chelsea fans feel proud of their team's effort, especially after United went out with a whimper the previous night. Unfortunately the same can be said about 95% of Barca's opponents this season. Something about the way Barca plays this season that makes their opponents look really good, even though the final result almost never is (good for them).
     
  21. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
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    Juventus FC
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    Italy
    Yeah but did you look at Chelsea's group and Man Utd's group? Chelsea was in the group of death. Man Utd had the easiest group of the whole tournament. Chelsea would have topped Man Utd's group very easily, and Man Utd likely would not have even advanced if they were in Chelsea's group. Chelsea went out to a much better team than them. Man Utd went out to a team they were strong favorites against at the beginning of the tie. Also Chelsea beat Man Utd in the EPL. And yes Man Utd beat Chelsea in EPL as well, but I felt Chelsea were the better side over both games.


    Because Benfica is even worse this season. Have you seen the massive difference between Benfica this season and last season? Benfica embarrassed themselves this season in the UCL. Last season they went to Round of 16 and put up a good fight in first leg vs Dortmund.
     
  22. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

    Jul 1, 2014
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    Barca are bold so they tend to get the luck most of the time and who can say they don't deserve it due to the way they play
     
  23. soccerr9

    soccerr9 Member+

    Jun 6, 2005
    You can also see the following narrative play out over the next 2 years:

    Chelsea enter rebuild mode after Conte (that can take years)

    United who seem to have wasted money on underperforming players do nothing under Mourihno despite all the funding before he is inevitably fired. United then enter another period of rebuild.

    Tottenham struggle to hold onto their best players while not being able to attract the same calibre.

    Liverpool go back to spending very little on net per summer.

    Arsenal keep being Arsenal.

    Under thosr conditions it's won't be shocking to see Pep run the EPL for a while. The 18 point lead shows how great City have been but also how poor rivals were in the league this year.
     
  24. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

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    Milan up 1-0.... game is getting a little too close for Arsenal's liking... so Welbeck with a dive of the year candidate to get them a penalty lol I swear if anyone ever says to my face again Italians are the worst divers ill punch them out... in the last 10 years or so for certain the english have been worse (between Welbeck, Delle Alli, Sturridge, etc)
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    You keep doing is! You ignore 30 league matches because it shows Man Utd is better than Chelsea, and instead focus on 1 or 2 group-stage CL matches where Chelsea looked good. Yes, Chelsea might have won Man Utd's group. So what? Man Utd did top it. So that doesn't prove anything!

    It wasn't so difficult for Chelsea to advance from that group once Atletico dropped 4 points to Qarabag.
     
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