Comparison of confederation results

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  1. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    The list doesn't make any distinction.

    Oldies and newbies, all included.
     
  2. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    It's all good.
    If you go to China next, please avoid making those racists gestures you all love to do at every international sport event you attend.

    Seriously dude, you guys must understand that it ain't 1950s anymore.
     
  3. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    #453 bigsoccertst1, Jul 9, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2018
    Yep, 3rd+4th division players listed as well. The same type of club transfers that our Iranian friend wants to avoid for Iranian players.
    Can't say I blame him for feeling that way. Players from such lower divisions will never raise the level of a NT squad.

    Excellent *international transfer* list you got there. Keep it coming.
     
  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Exactly the same.
    We never were seeking for a raise in the level of our game, as for truth, we really watered it down.

    The only thing that counted, from it, was the money we were going to get in return.

    And we got it.
     
  5. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay... the US still finished 4th, and beat 2 Conmebol teams along the way.
     
  6. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    We understand, business is business.

    It is the only trophy that lower-tier Conmebol teams can aspire to achieve, and everyone is happy to make money from it.

    I tell ya, Paraguay reaching the final stages of Copa America by drawing every match it could... was magical (2011+2015).

    Gotta ask again former Paraguay coach Martino why he left Paraguay after reaching 2nd place at the 2011 edition.
    Copa America was so awesome that he needed to find another job.
     
  7. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Probably so.
    He did retire from that team on his own (also reached quarters at the 2010 WC, the year before, with that team).

    After that stint with Paraguay, among other teams he was hired by Barcelona F.C. (ever heard of them ?.....), and also was hired to coach his own NT, with whom he also got 2 other finalist places (the original trophy in 2015, and the fake one in 2016).

    At present times, he is filling his pockets with MLS, USA money (which also happens to be among the best retiring plan, for most veterans from around the world).
     
  8. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Weaker teams, sometimes also beat stronger teams (this is one of the beauty's of football/soccer).

    In this WC being played, for instance, Japan beated Colombia; and Mexico beated Germany. But in context, if they had to face each other 10 times, most probably those teams that lost now in the WC, would come out victoriously most of the times (out of those 10 confrontations).

    Same thing on regards to the USA in Copa America Centenario (besides, the fact that they were hosting it, must count for something).
     
  9. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Indeed, I got nothing bad to say about coach Martino's tenure so far. It is good to do business with him.

    Sampaoli on the other hand... read somewhere that he managed to get his salary paid into a Caribbean tax haven, courtesy of the Chilean federation.

    Tsk tsk, US sugar daddy no like.
     
  10. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Not really.

    All Conmebol teams, stronger and weak ones as well, aspire to win the WC some day. The only thing that separates teams in the Confed, is that some have more potential along the time, to actually reach that goal.

    Nevertheless, Copa America, is also a trophy that all teams within the Confed, still wants to win, as well.
     
  11. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    The dude, you may like him or hate him, but the one thing you can't say, is that he doesn't know how to sign his contracts.

    With Chile, he made a lot of money.
    But compared to the money he is going to make with his NT, after less than a year in charge of their team, with whom he actually didn't win anything of value, they were "crumbs", as he being sacked, will get paid about twice by the argentinian FA, of all he earned with Chile after almost 3 years in charge of the team.
    .
    .

    Anyhow, if you really expect to win something in the world concert, you need to hire an expensive coach.

    Cheap coaches, only get you eliminated sooner than later.

    (funny thing, is that some teams do hire expensive coaches, and still can't make it to the WC, getting eliminated by Panama,.......:p )
     
  12. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    I think I'm warming up to this "Intercontinental Cup" idea. I think 32 teams is a bit much, but I think a 16-team second-tier tournament would be okay. The teams, as discussed previously, would be determined through the normal World Cup qualification process.

    Perhaps FIFA could wrangle with the clubs to free up the calendar in WC years from, say, mid-May. You could then have the Intercontinental Cup from mid-May until, say, a week before the World Cup begins.

    I wouldn't expect such a tournament to get the ratings of the actual WC, obviously, but FIFA could market it as an appetizer for the main WC. It could also be a nice way to bring a major tournament to countries that normally don't get the opportunity to host these kinds of events. You might even be able to convince a country like India or, say, some of the ASEAN countries to host a tournament like this, even if their teams aren't participating. This could be a nice way to increase exposure and interest in the game even beyond the countries that actually participate in the tournament. I just checked the stats for the 2017 U-17 WC in India, and the average attendance was 25,906. Not bad for a youth tournament. Attendance would probably be even better for a senior international tournament.

    Anyway... all in all, I can see plenty of benefits to having an "Intercontinental Cup" if done right.
     
  13. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Oh, come on now. As bad as the USA was this cycle, do you really think Paraguay and Ecuador are that much better? E.g. if the USA plays Paraguay five times at home and five away, you really think Paraguay wins more than five or six of the matches? I wouldn't bet on it.
     
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  14. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    In Asunción, Paraguay would win 3-4, the other 1- 2 matches would be draws. USA is not winning any match there.

    In USA, team USA might win 1-2 matches, 1-2 would be a draw and Paraguay would win 1-2.

    Paraguay, was lots better team than the USA (for Copa Centenario, they didn't go with their best team, as they prefered to stay at home and re-build their WC qualifier team, and with that in mind, the USA barely scraped a 1-0 win).

    For the case of Ecuador, though, team USA would get 4 (if not all 5) straight defeats playing in Quito. (sheer up, man......, even the big boys in Conmebol lose there, more often than not). Mexico city's altitude, is nothing compared to Quito's (although it is about only 600 meters higher, once there, you feel almost instantly that each "extra" meter of altitude, counts as if it were 10).

    And Quito-Ecuador, btw, is not the worst, because if you ever go to La Paz in Bolivia (almost 1500 meters higher than Mexico city), the moment you step foot at the airport, you want to go home, as up there they don't breath oxygen, as there is hardly any available. :p

    For both, Paraguay and Ecuador, their players are better skilled than the USA players. The only thing that the USA may have in its favour, it's their individual physicall fitness.

    (anyhow, you ask, and I answer, based on my opinions on the issue. I could be wrong and others may think otherwise);)
     
  15. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I guess the format for the WC with 48 teams was established yet.

    Since, the number is set in stone, I like that WC will be played in two phases:

    a) Pre-WC with 8 groups of 3 teams (weaker), each winner of group advances to WC phase.
    b) WC phase with 8 groups: 3 seeded teams (stronger) by group + 8 winners from Pre-WC.

    So, in practice a) phase will be the WC-B and the b) phase the usual WC.
     
  16. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Nope

    After group stage, 2 teams from each group of 3, will go through, and from there to the end, it will be a knock-out tournament, where each side of the braket can turn out to be, as close as white to black.

    Pray, you end up in the "soft" side of the bracket, which will help your team , advance. But if you happen to be in the "rough" side of the bracket, you'll go from one nightmare to the next, all the way till the end.....
     
  17. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    I think msioux75 is proposing an alternate format, not explaining the current FIFA proposal.
     
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  18. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yes

    Problem with his format, that by when the second stage begins, the stronger or seeded teams will have all "fresh" legs, cause they will still have not played any match. While for the weaker teams that came form the previous stage, will already have a few matches on their system, with more than one player already injured.

    Weaker teams would be placed in the second stage, almost as a "roast chicken", just for others to "feast" on them....:p
     
  19. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Or you can see it this way.

    Weaker teams advancing, will get the 2nd stage with its machine running. Meanwhile, tougher teams will start in automatic pilot as Germany, this WC,

    Note, that Pre-WC phase could be played in 2 weeks per group (not so exhausting). I mean, those days, weaker teams will be playing the Pre-WC, meanwhile stronger teams will be playing friendlies.
     
  20. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    The basic skills that you see in football and which are called into play over 90% of the game are shared in common by most professional players everywhere, even if various circumstances may not always show it. Even the nicely taken shots, headers, and goals are often the result of plays that anyone who has watched football can show from unknown players in unknown leagues. 90% of the passes aren't anything that any average player shouldn't be expected to complete either and most of the rest are also the kind of special passes that aren't as exclusive as some imagine.

    In realty, there are mainly 5-6 things that distinguish the best from the next best and then the others:

    1- Psychological and Mental Preparedness
    2- Physical Conditioning and Endurance
    3- Physical Strength
    4- Speed
    5- Chemistry and teamwork
    6- Highly skilled individualistic player(s)

    The first one, psychological and mental preparedness, comes from a variety of factors including experience, self-perception and perception by others, and how well a side or player is prepared for a match or tournament. Its importance is often overlooked but it is what determines mistakes and errors, the split second decisions that prove decisive in the game, and even some of the special things that sometimes look like skill but are equally about being psychologically and mentally ready (confidence).

    The second one (physical conditioning and endurance) is mostly a product of training as well as experience putting that training into practice. In this area, countries with the more developed and rigorous football programs and facilities have some comparative advantages. But age of the players is also relevant and a side that isn't that young might not show the same potential in this area.

    Physical strength and speed are innate things that are found differently depending on the player pool at issue. It is not entirely coincidental that Iran does well in 'power sports' in the Olympics and is also a very strong team physically in football. This is our greatest comparative advantage in Asia. Similarly, it isn't entirely coincidental that athletes from African ancestry do exceptionally well in the Olympics in track and field and are often among the fastest players in football too.

    Chemistry between players, knowing each others moves, and being able to play well together (teamwork) is obviously very important as well. There are cultural traits that help some be better than others in this area (e.g., Japan), but generally the comparative advantages arise from how regularly a group of players have played with one another.

    The last thing, namely highly skilled individualistic players, was something that was best developed in the 'street football culture' and used to be one of Iran's comparative advantages in Asia and what made teams like Brazil or Argentina offset the other advantages of European teams. This attribute is still important but is fast losing its significance. Certainly, having 1-2 such players is usually helpful still, but most of the players need to be team players and relying too much on this attribute can even hurt.
     
  21. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Yeah, Sampaoli will coach the Argentina u20 squad from now on. They are hoping he will pack his bags soon... even his assistant coaches have jumped ship.

    Admitting defeat is a good place to start anew.

    Hopefully, Bolivia won't eliminate you during next qualifiers. Surprisingly, Pizzi came out winning big bucks, in the long run.
     
  22. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    Record of Lesser Confederations in this World Cup:
    Group Stage and Knock-Out Rounds

    AFC's Record at the Group Stage

    Overall:...............................................15GP: 4W-3D-8L
    ...........................................................Total points: 15
    ..................................................Points per game:
    1.0


    AFC v UEFA:.......................................8GP: 1W-2D-5L
    AFC v CAF:.........................................3GP: 2W-1D-0L
    AFC v CONMEBOL:...........................3GP: 1W-0D-2L
    AFC v CONCACAF:............................1GP: 0W-0D-1L

    --------------------------
    CAF's Record at the Group Stage
    Overall:..............................................15GP: 3W-2D-10 L
    ............................................................Total Points: 11
    ..................................................Points per game: 0.73

    CAF v UEFA:.......................................8GP: 2W-1D-5L
    CAF v CONMEBOL:............................3GP: 0W-0D-3L
    CAF v AFC:.........................................3GP: 0W-1D-3L
    CAF v CONCACAF:........................... 1GP: 1W-0D-0L

    ---------------------------
    CONCACAF's Record at the Group Stage:
    Overall:................................................9GP: 2W-1D-6L
    .............................................................Total Points: 7
    ..................................................Points per game: 0.78

    CONCACAF v UEFA: ..........................6GP: 1W-1D-4L
    CONCACAF v. CAF..............................1GP: 0W-0D-1L
    CONCACAF v CONMEBOL:................1GP: 0W-OD-1L
    Concacaf v AFC:..................................1GP: 1W-0D-0L

    --------------------------
    Knock-Out Rounds:
    AFC:
    1GP:0W,0D,1L (2:3 Loss by Japan to Belgium)
    Concacaf:
    1 GP: 0W, 0D, 1L (0:2 loss by Mexico to Brazil)
    CAF: n/a
     

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