By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
  1. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
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    #1 Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017
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    Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

    By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
    I have spent the past few weeks carefully looking at the platforms and personalities of the men and women running for the position of President of the United States Soccer Federation. My conclusion is, I endorse the elimination of the position of the President of the United States Soccer Federation. If this is the quality of people we get running for the job, there must be something wrong with the job.

    I think the problem is that no one is really certain what the job is supposed to be. There’s a universal assumption that, just as FIFA rules world soccer, the USSF can and should exert a similar influence in the United States. Even the ones who talk of implementing progressive changes take for granted that they will have the power to do so, and should have the power to do so. It’s like seeing eight versions of Isildur vowing to use the One Ring for good.

    No, I will never apologize. My entire life has been leading up to that metaphor.

    This is also the first contested election in, for want of a better term, the Fan Era. The stakes for the 1990 Fricker v. Rothenberg battle were arguably higher, but just because there were millions of dollars at stake did not mean there were millions of fans paying attention. Fans don’t have a voice in this process – and don’t get me wrong, we should not. We are customers. We decided we have an interest in this, but that was our choice. And as Grant Wahl showed us this week, giving monkeys the vote is not always popular with the organ grinder community. But we’ll get to that.

    Steve Gans is the only person still in the race who had the donuts to challenge Sunil Gulati before October 10. Odds are if you’re reading this, it’s not gonna take you too long to figure out what changed on October 10. Should one draw conclusions about the viability of his candidacy based on the fact that seven other people piled on as soon as it was safe? Yes. You should. Every candidate’s platform is basically a series of promises to form committees and councils, but this one from Gans stood out:

    I will immediately halt and institute a moratorium on the current U.S. Soccer plan to centralize the State Referee Administrator responsibilities. An open, transparent and inclusive summit will then be held – with participation by all state associations – to jointly discuss any issues in the SRA program, and to consider any possible related improvements.

    No other candidate is bringing this subject up, so it’s fair to assume it’s meaningful to Gans. He wants to call a Council of Nicaea to address the issue – whatever the issue actually is. Gans may have suggestions for improvements, but the main problem seems to be centralization.

    Well, okay, that’s one way to tell candidates apart – it makes sense that some would be for more USSF authority, and some for less. Gans clearly feels the USSF should have less – wait, what’s this?

    I will create and participate in a task force of youth state associations and national affiliates to address and solve the counterproductive competition amongst sanctioning organizations which occurs beneath the topline of U.S. Soccer youth registration numbers. Such zero-sum competition is destructive to youth soccer and the youth development system, and these issues will be addressed and solved for the good of the game.

    It’s going to take an awfully strong central authority to put a stop to competition between youth soccer organizations.

    You will also have noticed that councils and committees and task forces and such play a significant role in Gans’ platform. But that’s okay, because councils and committees and task forces make up the most significant part of nearly every candidate’s platform.

    I believe you form a committee to do one of two things. Either you want nothing done at all but you want to fool people into thinking you’re trying, or you want something unpopular done and want to make sure everybody else gets to take the blame. Chief executive officers, chairpeople of boards of directors – these aren’t the sort of folks who are used to hearing a lot of backtalk in their daily lives. They’re certainly not going to go out of their way to get a bunch of people in a room to churn out something they oppose.

    People like to promise committees, because it sounds like other people have a voice in the process, even when the voices are there to be co-opted or compromised.

    If you go to michaelwinograd.net, you will learn about a renowned klezmer and world music clarinetist from Brooklyn. If, on the other hand, you go winogradussf.com, a domain name likely to be available some time in March 2018, you will read this promise from candidate Michael Winograd, speaking in the third person:

    Winograd will ensure that critical US Soccer decisions reflect input from all parts of the US Soccer landscape they affect. The selection of national team managers and technical directors; decisions on structures, policies and guidelines in youth soccer; negotiation of sponsorships and other key business transactions; and other fundamental decisions affecting the direction and success of US Soccer are too critical to be made without a deliberate, inclusive, and transparent process. Winograd will form advisory committees that include current and/or former players, coaches, managers, administrators and executives from all levels. And qualifications will be based on merit – people with pertinent skills and achievements and the proven ability to exercise good and objective judgment – not on politics, favoritism or principles of entrenchment.

    Those aren’t promises. Those are threats. The idea that, to pick an example not entirely at random, the Eastern New York State Soccer Association should have any meaningful input in who should coach the national teams is downright painful. There are areas of knowledge that can’t be crowd-sourced effectively, and hiring coaches and technical directors is….okay, it’s not up there with neuroscience, but I believe you see what I’m getting at.

    Winograd isn’t stupid, and presumably realizes this. Sunil Gulati’s expertise in choosing national team coaches was inadequate, and did not improve with experience. (What did he end up picking, three each for the men’s and women’s teams? Godalmighty.) There’s no good reason to leave decisions like this to King Mob. And there’s nothing here that says Winograd would do so. Input from advisory committees isn’t binding, still less when it’s from the break room at the construction site at the Tower of Babel.

    There aren’t many people running here who believe in the USSF President having less power. And it’s funny how youth soccer brings out the autocrat in everyone.

    We should take a fresh look at youth soccer’s organizational structure on a state by state basis. We need to implement uniform standards and ensure fairness across youth soccer in all states, and then work together to structure the youth landscape in any given state in a way that makes the most sense for that state, taking into account existing entities, geography, demographics and other key factors. And we must clearly define that structure and its individual components to the consumer.

    One way to achieve what works best for an individual state would be to leave it to the individual state. Winograd, like Gans, and like most of the other candidates, would sooner crawl on broken glass.

    Eric Wynalda announced his run something like a week before Winograd, but over a week after the Trinidad debacle – after spending literally years hemming and hawing about it. He would have been in a much better position had he made a stand before it was safe – but judging by his campaign web site, probably not. There’s no platform, just a series of pinheaded videos under three minutes each. The closest thing to an actual plan is in the Four Four Two interview he did with Scott French. His twin planks are promotion and relegation on the one hand, and a winter-to-spring schedule on the other.

    Let’s put aside for a moment whether either of these are good ideas. Wynalda presumably knows that no US league is doing either of these things voluntarily, but assumes the USSF President has the power to force these policies onto member organizations. It’s a little troubling when people spend years complaining about Sunil Gulati exercising too much power, only to find out the solution is to change the name of the person exercising that power.

    It was not Wynalda that sounded the knell for the Gulati administration, but Carlos Cordeiro. Until Kathy Carter entered the race, Cordeiro was routinely summed up as Gulati’s right-hand man. Apparently the two had a split, probably due to Cordeiro realizing that Gulati was ambulatory dead meat before Gulati did.

    There is a great deal on Codeiro’s platform that deserves serious discussion and consideration. In fact, he would probably make a very good USSF President, my glib click-baity dismissal of the entire process notwithstanding. But if you considered Gans and Winograd, and thought, “I like them, but they don’t suggest enough committees”? Have we got a guy for you!

    These are the planks in Cordeiro’s platform that stood out the most, to me, anyway?

    Have a truly independent President who is beholden to no one, listens to and treats all members of our community fairly, is transparent, abides by checks and balances, and works collaboratively to bring all stakeholders together around common goals; [and]

    Empower the Board to play a greater role in all Federation activities, including the creation of two new board-level committees: a technical committee, chaired by an Athlete Director, to oversee soccer operations, and a commercial committee, chaired by an independent director, to oversee all USSF commercial activities, including marketing and TV broadcast rights[….]

    That first paragraph is quite the slap at Sunil Gulati, unless all this time Cordeiro’s held a grudge against the late Dr. Bob Contiguglia (EDIT - good news! He's not dead! Why did I think that? The world may never know). And it’s a refreshing acknowledgement that checks and balances in USSF exist, rather than depend on the whim of the executive.

    The commercial committee idea seems like a reference to Soccer United Marketing, and not necessarily a kindly one. It reads like he’s talking about putting a cop on their corner, especially if we go by “independent director.” Cordeiro might, in fact, have been wrongly dismissed as a status quo candidate. I’d be extremely interested to hear Cordeiro elaborate on this.

    And apparently I’m the only one who would be, since there’s literally a lawsuit going on about this very topic and the genius plaintiffs don’t even seem to have asked Cordeiro for an opinion.

    It’s worth noting that Wynalda seems to loathe Carlos Cordeiro on a personal level, judging by the Scott French interview. In case you’re wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Cordeiro endorsement.

    Two other former US national team players joined the race, and I like to think both of them joined specifically to annoy Eric Wynalda. Wynalda certainly treated Kyle Martino dismissively enough, and continues to. Paul Caligiuri, on the other hand, is one of the few men who outranks Wynalda on the legendariness scale.

    Kyle Martino has been agonizingly slow with specifics, and irritatingly quick with accusations – he and Wynalda need to form a joint ticket. Or a podcast. Martino, like Wynalda, is given to dark accusations of blackballing and reprisals against those who place toes against lines with insufficient enthusiasm. In complete fairness, Martino has endorsed an idea where little soccer goals could be placed under basketball hoops in city playgrounds. It’s a pretty poor excuse for inclusion, but then again, at least it’s an idea.

    Paul Caligiuri is not campaigning online, and doesn’t have a web-based platform. In case you were wondering how close this was going to be to a full-on Caligiuri endorsement.

    The true insider candidate rolled around in December, when it became apparent that even this crop was preferable to Four More Years.

    Sometime between November and now women started playing soccer, so someone had the bright idea to get a woman to run for USSF President. Kathy Carter’s platform is unusually light, even for this field. It really boils down to whether you believe “President of Soccer United Marketing” is a qualification or not. There’s nothing Carter is going to do to win over someone who has the fears of all SUM.

    Carter is also running an old-fashioned USSF campaign, which means meeting the people who actually have the vote. It was ridiculous to think that the President of SUM would not have the endorsement of the Chief Executive Officer of SUM, so people should not have been appalled that Don Garber was campaigning for her. Sunil Gulati, on the other hand, was pretending not to have endorsed anyone, at least until Grant Wahl followed up on endorsements from a couple of Eastern Seaboard soccer associations.

    Did I mention we’re dealing with a bunch of guys who are used to making decisions and are not used to being second-guessed? For all you who expected soccer associations to poll their membership on who they would support – did it hurt? When you fell off the tomato truck? You knew Carter was the insider candidate already, wipe the shocked look off your face.

    Then there’s Hope Solo, who…is putting together a clear and consistent platform backed up with the passion and sincerity of her beliefs. Everyone has made up their mind about Hope Solo, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean she’s not as serious a candidate as literally any of the others.

    If the theory is that you want a change candidate? If you want someone who is really going to change the old boy network, reshape the way the Federation does business, give more attention to the women’s program, give more outreach to poor and under-served communities? Solo is your candidate. Yes, she’s one of the least diplomatic people in the sport, but then, so is Wynalda.

    I know, it’s unfair to compare Solo to Wynalda. Solo has won championships. And Solo’s platform is coherent.

    There’s something irritating about USA Today, for example, saying Solo can’t win because of her previous controversial remarks.

    The problem for Solo is that she isn’t the only former player running, but she is the only one with a hostile relationship with the federation. She won’t be able to overcome that.”

    Emphasis in original.

    Hey, let’s go back and see what Wynalda told Scott French about the USSF:

    “I completely hated my experience with the United States Soccer Federation from 1989 until now. There hasn’t been a time in any of that that I trusted their motives, where I didn’t feel that I was being manipulated or deceived or lied to or essentially ruled by fear. We have been told, ‘Cooperate and comply or we don’t need you. Take it or leave it. Ninety/ten is our idea of a partnership,’ and then we’re expected to wear the crest and be proud and go represent our country. It doesn’t work that way. It’s been that way for too long…Playing for the national team really is not something that anybody enjoys anymore. And that’s mainly because of the relationship with their federation is horrible. And that has gone back the last couple of decades. Anybody that has played for the national team will tell you without hesitation that they hate their federation.”

    But Solo is the irrational one. Why, she can barely form a coherent thought:

    Hope Solo says she will eliminate sexism and discrimination in her campaign statement. She did not offer how she would do that. She didn’t write a paragraph about it. She didn’t even write a complete sentence about how she would eliminate two things that have existed in our society since its inception. Just know that she’s gonna do that. Sexism and discrimination in soccer? Boom. Gone.

    Yes, Hope’s platform was collected into bullet points. The thinking behind those bullet points was spelled out in detail in her Facebook post and the “Why I’m running” section.

    Now, if one were to say that Solo, too, assumes a USSF President bestowed with limitless power for good or evil, then yes, that would be a fair criticism. If you were to tell me that Solo, like most of the other candidates, is running for dictator, I would listen attentively.

    But calling Solo unrealistic and unclear in the same race where Silent Cal doesn’t even have a website, and Eric Wynalda promises to ban summer soccer? Asinine.

    The United States Soccer Federation is a licensing organization. It provides a bureaucracy to handle player contracts, manage leagues and tournaments, administer the laws, and occasionally promote the game.

    Lately it has achieved attention for assembling a series of men’s and women’s all-star teams to compete with other national teams in various competitions. Those are the Federation’s primary revenue sources, and by the way the source of every single one of its fans.

    The mission for the USSF is the following:

    Stop losing;

    Stop getting sued;

    Host the World Cup.

    Instead, we will get someone whose mission will be to continue to consolidate power, for whatever perceived good. I believe Pete Townshend had the final word when it came to making introductions with recently-ascended overseers.
     
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Okay, fine. Who ya got?

  1. Gans

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  2. Wynalda

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  3. Winograd

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  4. Cordeiro

    7 vote(s)
    13.2%
  5. Caligiuri

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  6. Martino

    3 vote(s)
    5.7%
  7. Carter

    17 vote(s)
    32.1%
  8. Solo

    11 vote(s)
    20.8%

Comments

Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, Dec 29, 2017.

    1. Inca Roads

      Inca Roads Member+

      Nov 22, 2012
      Club:
      Sporting Kansas City

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      The fear of all SUM. Golden.
       
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    2. song219

      song219 BigSoccer Supporter

      Apr 5, 2004
      La Norte
      Club:
      DC United
      Nat'l Team:
      Vanuatu

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      I can't believe that this was never a BS forum title.
       
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    3. canammj

      canammj Member

      Aug 25, 2004
      CHINO, CA
      Club:
      Los Angeles Galaxy
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      To me, we have conflicting priorities, do to so many groups therefore it is hard for a one size fits all president. IMO We we need 1 person in charge of the pro side/pyramid- keeping a common sense league structure, multi levels and academy programs run by the teams with the sole goal of locating and producing quality players.
      Another person for the amateur pyramid- youth, adult, high school, through colleges- this too can provide an entry point for more players into the pro side pyramid at a point, but this is the side where so many people just play for the love of the game. Nothing against this side, but soccer is business, thus I would like the sides separately managed.
      And then maybe a person to strictly manage all the national team levels for both men and women programs.
      I know, probably totally naive, but we sure need a different approach.
       
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    4. Initial B

      Initial B Member

      Jan 29, 2014
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      Ottawa Fury

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      As a Canadian, I'll be watching from the cheap seats with a bag of popcorn. Just based on a weighting of playing experience, business experience, continuity and gender balance, I think Carter will win this away. But it will be interesting watching all the mudslinging that is bound to be thrown about in the next few months.
       
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    5. ElJefe

      ElJefe Moderator
      Staff Member

      Feb 16, 1999
      The 720, y'all
      Club:
      FC Dallas
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      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      If there's one thing that I've heard repeatedly from people since the debacle in Trinidad and the need to burn everything down to the ground at Soccer House is the following phrase:

      "It can't get any worse than what's going on now."

      As in, "So what if Wynalda is a howler monkey whose elevator doesn't go all the way up to the top floor? It can't get any worse than what's going on now."

      I should hope that it doesn't require TOO much imagination to envision how yes, it can indeed get worse. I'm not saying that electing Wynalda or Martino or Solo or whomever would allow us to find out that we have not yet reached bottom, but what I am saying is that it's a shitty reason to vote for somebody, and it's a pretty shitty for someone other than the much-hated "insider."

      Of course, I'm not predisposed to considering anyone with a connection to MLS and SUM as evil or corrupt or whatever other derogatory adjective you like, so YMMV.

      BTW, not that we should gloss over Solo's history of domestic abuse and DUI, but let us not forget how Waldo got himself fired from ESPN, namely by having a mouth that moved faster than his brain and threatening violence against an ESPN co-worker while talking to a blogger in a bar. Mind you, lots of people would like to do their best Jim Everett impersonation with Jim Rome, and yes, Waldo at least had the stones to go on Rome's show the following week to meekly offer an apology, but still, if we're going to bring up Solo's sordid history, it's only fair to state that she's got company is the category of "publicly embarassing US soccer."
       
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    6. Brother Badgerjohn

      Oct 16, 2000
      Okie City
      Club:
      --other--
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      hope.jpg
      #ImWithHer
       
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    7. American Brummie

      Jun 19, 2009
      There Be Dragons Here
      Club:
      Birmingham City FC
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Couldn't vote for Landon Donovan. Mods, can we add Landon Donovan to the poll? ;)
       
    8. MM66

      MM66 Member+

      Mar 9, 2009
      Brookline, MA
      Club:
      Real Madrid

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Love the Cerebus picture. The next USSF president should be issued a tall, pointy hat.

      As for the mission, the 2026 World Cup seems like a gimme. Russia and Qatar are going to be swimming in scandals (e.g. the Russian team will be sponsored by letters P, E and D). If the USSF can seem like a reliable cash cow that can steer clear of blatant criminality, the World Cup seems like a done deal.

      The "stop losing" part of the job seems paramount. Producing better players and getting the national team to play at a higher level will be the benchmarks for how the new president gets judged. They've run up against the limits of pay-to-play. Skills development needs to be prioritized. They also need growth in the middle of the soccer pyramid.

      Anyway, the plutocrats will get their beaks wet no matter who's in charge. What they need is someone who can get the soccer stuff right to keep everyone happy while the cash is being grabbed.
       
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    9. cwilke1

      cwilke1 Member

      Sep 1, 2006
      Glen Cove
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Ha Ha the first contested election of The Fan Era. That is golden.
       
    10. HomietheClown

      HomietheClown Member+

      Dusselheim 1971
      Sep 4, 2010
      Club:
      --other--

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Solo sounds like most Millennials these days with pie in the sky attitudes and delusional hopes and dreams (She may not be a millennial statistically but close enough)..

      She wants to change the world and save the soccer Federation from the convoluted PC evils of discrimination and sexism.

      How is she going to do it????
      Well, it does not matter how she will do it. She will just do it darn it. With the help of money and facebook likes and twtter retweets she will end these problems faster than you can say "Starbucks latte".

      Why must we trust her?
      Because she says she is going to do it and she is a semi-millennial woman so we must take her word for it.
      She was born to do it. She is entitled to do it.
       
    11. USRufnex

      USRufnex Member+

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
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      Tulsa, OK
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      Last edited: Dec 30, 2017

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Yet another sign that twitter spamming Dan Loney has jumped the shark again and that Bigsoccer continues to lose relevance as a public forum for discussion on the future of the sport in America... we all know why Dan Loney hates Eric Wynalda to the point where he uses Bigsoccer as a platform to attack him...

      NISA Endorses Eric Wynalda for USSF President
      Dec 21, 2017

       
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    12. Olo2317

      Olo2317 Member

      Jun 1, 2014
      Club:
      CA River Plate
      Nat'l Team:
      Argentina

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Kyle Martino's over/under initiative...is a brilliant idea...something that absolutely needs to happen across the country...a soccer eco-system/culture needs to be created,where the game is out in the open/outdoors in the cities.
       
    13. Beau Dure

      Beau Dure Member+

      May 31, 2000
      Vienna, VA

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Dr. Bob isn't dead. For another few weeks, he's on the Board in the non-voting position of immediate past president.

      Gulati will be succeeding him in that, too.
       
    14. The Franchise

      The Franchise Member+

      Nov 13, 2014
      Bakersfield, CA
      Club:
      Real Salt Lake
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      The NISA endorsement! The support of an league with three teams on board, an aspiration to be D3, and a starting year to be determined?! This changes everything!
       
    15. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM

      it shouldn't suprise anyone that wynalda is getting the support he is.

      he is running around promising state federations/leagues/female players buckets of cash...tens of millions and in a few cases saying he will raise their value into the billions...of course they are going to back him. the joke is how he is going to do that...its a secret he won't tell anyone lol.

      wait until he becomes president announces he has disbanded the board; signed himself to a 100 million dollar five year contract to be president and nobody else is getting anything.
       
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    16. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      That would be a Cathy Carter presidency. SUM makes tens of millions while kids cant afford to be in a good suburban club.
       
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    17. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM

      yeah it should just be free and youth soccer in this country would go bankrupt in a year...good job.

      its such a dumb comparison its like saying amazon made a trillion dollars...but joe dirt foreclosed on their porsche payment its not fair break up amazon.

      the two have nothing to do with eachother. Making soccer more affordable has nothing to do with sum.
       
    18. Dan Loney

      Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

      Mar 10, 2000
      Cincilluminati
      Club:
      Los Angeles Sol
      Nat'l Team:
      Philippines

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Wow, I'm sorry, Dr. Bob, if you're reading. Edit made.
       
    19. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      Whatever. I have kids that went through the system and are now playing in college. ODP is a joke and most kids can't afford the 3-5k a year to play on a good club team. Keep your head in the sand and support the criminals running the sport.
       
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    20. a_new_fan

      a_new_fan Member

      Jul 6, 2006

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      love the over the top reactions. those criminals...sunil and his zero dollar salary just killing the sport lol. Wait until eric gets in there and switches out sum and ushers in nasl to take its place and signs himself to a multi million dollar contract; not to mention the 100 million he's promised to the women's team..where is that going to come from lol. 3-5k will be 15-20k once he gets in.

      its never going to be free and it can't be the issue is how to lower the cost and identify talent.
       
    21. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      So the accusation is that I am being over the top and, without the normal irony sensor gking off in your head, you proceed to go over the top.

      NASL would be preferable to Garber. Full stop. Garber is a criminal and that will be proven in time. USSF is non-profit but SUM is very, very much for-profit. You dont see an issue there? Donny, is that you?

      What I woukd love to see is Hope Solo get elected and watch her burn the whole ************************ down. Imagine how that entitled prick that runs the ENYSSL would react. Shit, we didn't qualify for the WC, why not let hope go all bull in a china shop for a year?

      Your support for the status quo, your user name and history scream troll. How much is Donny G paying?
       
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    22. scott47a

      scott47a Member+

      Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
      Feb 6, 2007
      Austin, Texas
      Club:
      Seattle Sounders
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      LOL. Good lord.

      My name is Scott, by the way. And in terms of criminals, there's no doubt that NASL was run by Traffic Sports, who actually are criminals. NASL, with it's teams playing in minor league baseball stadiums and high school football stadiums, is in no way preferable to MLS - Don Garber or no Don Garber.

      In terms of Dan's blog topic, I'd say "none of the above" if that were a possibility. What I believe needs to happen is the business/cash side of the business needs to be separated from the skills/playing/clubs/national team side of the business.

      The guys/gals dealing with the accounting should not be the guys/gals picking the national team coaches or setting standards for academies, coaching, and refereeing.
       
    23. stanger

      stanger BigSoccer Supporter

      Nov 29, 2008
      Columbus
      Club:
      Columbus Crew
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      https://thesefootballtimes.co/2016/04/11/why-don-garber-went-to-zurich/

       
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    24. USRufnex

      USRufnex Member+

      Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
      United States
      Jul 15, 2000
      Tulsa, OK
      Club:
      --other--

      Abolish the Presidency of the United States Soccer Federation

      By Dan Loney on Dec 29, 2017 at 3:20 PM
      More evidence Bigsoccer no longer represents a reasonable cross section of American fans....

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